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How long can we carry on like this for?

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Pseudosudocrem · 18/04/2020 09:35

Anyone else starting to wonder just how long we can carry on like this before everything irrevocably falls apart?

How will we ever recover as a country?

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BeijingBikini · 18/04/2020 20:48

We have to follow WHO recommendations

Really? The same WHO who said it can't spread human-to-human and that travel was fine, only a couple of months ago? I wonder if their other advice will have turned out to be crap with hindsight.

LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 20:48

Sorry to divert to another country

But when you can’t find non hysteria anywhere, it’s terrifying.

How long does California plan to stay closed?

www.nbclosangeles.com/local/venice-skate-park-covered-in-sand-to-ensure-social-distancing/2347827/

LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 20:50

Beijing cross post

I’ve given up on WHO.

Why can no leader say “we don’t know- therefore we need to figure out a way to live with this virus?”

Hercwasonaroll · 18/04/2020 20:51

@growingboys of course you did Hmm

woodchuck99 · 18/04/2020 20:51

There are people not getting treatment for a variety of things. Most surgery has been cancelled, most scans etc the same. This cannot carry on because these people will die in 12 months. We're talking about care above GP level.

As someone who cannot get medical treatment at the moment I feel it is a good reason for continuing the lockdown for a while. If the infection rates and hospitalisations don't decrease and the NHS becomes overwhelmed I am even less likely to get treatment. Furthermore I don't want to go anywhere near a hospital if it is full of patients and probably healthcare professionals who are infected.

Hercwasonaroll · 18/04/2020 20:54

I'm the opposite woodchuck. The NHS has wards lying empty that could be treating people right now. How is that OK? Why are those peoples lives worth less?

Deux · 18/04/2020 20:54

Here’s the link to the R4 program I mentioned earlier if anyone’s interested

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000h7sp

MaxNormal · 18/04/2020 20:57

We need to tackle this together across the world. It is a pandemic!

Most of the world can't afford to lock down for very long at all. We're a very wealthy country and people are already struggling here.

I don't think it's fair to compare people to Anne Frank or call them hedonistic. People are worried about having no money and losing their homes, not whether they can go shopping.

MaxNormal · 18/04/2020 20:58

I'm not personally agitating for an immediate end to lockdown but we do need a plan, and hiding indoors for a year isn't that.

woodchuck99 · 18/04/2020 20:58

I'm the opposite woodchuck. The NHS has wards lying empty that could be treating people right now. How is that OK? Why are those peoples lives worth less?

When you say you are the opposite, do you mean that you need hospital treatment and are happy to go in despite the risk of getting coronavirus? A relative of mine got infected in hospital recently and died and it is the last place I would want to be if lockdown stopped and infections rose rapidly.

Alsohuman · 18/04/2020 20:59

I'm the opposite woodchuck. The NHS has wards lying empty that could be treating people right now. How is that OK? Why are those peoples lives worth less?

I think most people, particularly those with lowered immune systems, are pretty scared at the thought of going into a hospital right now. My friend, who needs radiotherapy to treat cancer, is absolutely terrified and seriously weighing up whether to go or not.

Hercwasonaroll · 18/04/2020 21:00

Yes I need treatment and I'd take my chances on coronavirus.

I have a relative who will die without treatment. They have been waiting for an operation. Operation cancelled and no date rearranged. Meanwhile they deteriorate daily.

BeijingBikini · 18/04/2020 21:02

If you will die without your treatment then surely you would take your chances with CV? A significant risk of death is better than a certain one!

woodchuck99 · 18/04/2020 21:02

I have a relative who will die without treatment. They have been waiting for an operation. Operation cancelled and no date rearranged. Meanwhile they deteriorate daily.

I'm deteriorating without treatment too. The treatment suppresses my immune system though so the last thing I need would be to catch coronavirus. The same would apply for many people with cancer. The best thing is to decrease infections as much as possible so the hospitals are safe again.

Newjez · 18/04/2020 21:05

Lives are also saved by lockdowns.

Road toll is probably well down on this time last year.

Hercwasonaroll · 18/04/2020 21:06

But woodchuck using your logic that we stay under lockdown until there's a vaccine, many people will die waiting for non coronavirus treatment. A vaccine is 6 months away at best.

lightsoul · 18/04/2020 21:06

Urgent surgery is taking place. I have been into hospital myself to have a scan that was considered urgent. I have every sympathy for women in abusive relationships but taking away the lockdown is not going to prevent that. I do recognise the lack of choice for them and that they are at much higher risk. There is help available accessing it under these conditions is harder but we have even had a woman on here who managed to leave with the encouragement of this on line community. there are always consequences. the WHO like everyone else is learning about this virus. it was the Chinese who said human to human transmission was not possible. Who are the ones who have the expertise but of course people on here think they know better

Tonemeth · 18/04/2020 21:07

@BeijingBikini things are not that black and white. I'm vulnerable but also worried for my job and future...

Thisisitisit · 18/04/2020 21:09

The trouble is that continuing lockdown isn't going to magic it away, it will be a fair while until anything resembling a vaccination programme is rolled out and we are sure it has been at least moderately successful. Some won't want to have treatment at this time, but denying people the choice to access treatment, is a death sentence for many, and unfair imo. The backlog as well isn't going to vanish, the waiting lists will take a long, long time to work through, it will have lasting repracussions and it's terrifying to be honest.

Flaxmeadow · 18/04/2020 21:12

It's like being in a different place, hardly recognise some parts of it. Why do you think your area is so bad?

I'm not sure inkpapers, it's as if the mood has changed. Complacency has set in I guess. It's so disheartening

It started off that people wanted the lockdown, that they understand the reasons for it and for the first week or so it was all really quiet. But in the last couple of weeks it"s gradually gone back to normal. To exactly how it used to be and instead of things like clothes shopping on the high street, they just order online .

I went in a large food store recently, which also sells furniture, furnishings and hardware and the car park was the fullest I've ever seen it. Then inside, it was just rammed with people, couples and families, just sauntering about, with no social distancing at all. Buying anything but food and necessities, as if it was just another day out. It wouldn't have been so bad if they were buying food as well, but they weren't even doing that. I'd honestly say there is more traffic on the roads than before as well. People visiting each other just like before, social gatherings, everything.

The police I think daren't do anything, because of all the flack they've just had. It's so weird when I see posts about how everyone has had enough because here it's as if it's all over and done with anyway

lightsoul · 18/04/2020 21:15

Lockdown is not going to magic it away

No it is not going to magic it away it is helping to manage it and helping to protect our health workers by keeping the numbers at a manageable level.

LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 21:17

I’m so jealous people are living in places that look normal

Londoners are dealing with shit like this

twitter.com/PaulBurston/status/1251499470191235073

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/04/2020 21:18

Look at all the people who have already died and the great talent that has been lost to the world

Trust me, I am - and one of the things I'm seeing is the worrying number of excess deaths unrelated to the virus, very possibly caused by all other care being compromised
I absolutely get that it all looks very different if loved ones are at risk, but with the best will in the world entire nations don't usually close down because of this

Incidentally the figures mentioned referred to individual risk, which isn't the same thing at all as cumulative deaths. I agree though that "15,000 people didn't die crossing the road last month", but we don't yet know if they died of the virus either; with it, perhaps, but not necessarily of it, the stats being skewed because CV is a notifiable disease

Hercwasonaroll · 18/04/2020 21:18

But lightsoul lockdown as it is cannot carry on for much longer without leading to further deaths from non coronavirus things.

There has to be a balance. We can't lockdown for 12 months.

Flaxmeadow · 18/04/2020 21:18

...and to add to my last post, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a huge increase in cases in this area soon because of it

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