Keep calm. Season flu kills 20,000 a year

[Covidiot]

Sorry. Bit click batey but my fucking cousin said that to me today

Also:

• the NHS are exploiting situation for political reasons
• the NHS is not underfunded at all - it just needs a “proper revamp”
• the BBC are being far too pessimistic
• there is no shortage of PPE

I’ve tried to calm down. But several hours later I’m still fucking raging.

So I’m posting assuming most will agree and just tell me to calm the fuck down and ignore the Covidiot.

Jesus. How can people be so fucking deluded?

This is not flu.

There have been approx 100,000 deaths worldwide in the whole of this pandemic, how can there possibly be 10k a month in the UK alone?

11 March - 8 deaths
11 April - 9,875 deaths

So almost 10,000 deaths...

@Casino218

In 1968 a flu pandemic killed 1m, in 1957, 3m deaths, and obv in 1918 50 to 100m deaths.

Look i think we need a lockdown, we need to suppress the disease and then with mass testing control it whilst releasing the restrictions, but i do not fear CV as i would flu.... based on what we are being told about CV at present.

Trust me, if you think influenza and colds are synonymous, then you've never had anything worse than a nasty cold.

@jasjas1973

www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/three-quarters-of-people-with-flu-have-no-symptoms/

So almost 10,000 deaths...

Of which 5000 to 7500 would have happened anyway...according to Prof Ferguson and he is advising the Govt.

Trust me, if you think influenza and colds are synonymous, then you've never had anything worse than a nasty cold.

You can be infected with flu and only have mild cold-like symptoms, in the same way you can be infected by COVID-19 and only have cold-like symptoms.

@Derbygerbil

Thankyou, i take back my previous comment on flu infections always being serious.

Perspective is in short supply. Yes it's worse than flu for the reasons listed in OPs responses, but no it is not worse for young people. They're wildly unlikely to die of it. One of the plans being drawn up involved releasing the young population from quarantine as they're unlikely to be seriously affected. Obviously some still will be but I don't think it's as indiscriminate a killer as the media is making out.

the money wasted failed private initiatives, constant political restructuring of layers of organisation when current political policy demands that there model is more efficient.
But the workers whether doctors, or technicians, nurses or porters, biochemists or cleaners, cooks or whatever work as teams supporting each others under constant stress & restrictions & what they don't need is more criticism
& the numbers that are likely to die from corona are less because most of the population is in lockdown & many deaths because they are in nursing homes or in their own homes are not registered

Of which 5000 to 7500 would have happened anyway...according to Prof Ferguson and he is advising the Govt.

Yes, many of those who died are already very ill. It’s obvious that it will impact them worse. What timescale did Prof Ferguson give? I’ll try and find his quote. Clearly he didn’t mean they were going to die that very day?

Yep, your dickhead cousin’s talking bollocks and is wrong.

This is an extract from yesterday’s ICNARC report. It’s the data from ‘resolved’ critical cases of CV19 (ie discharged or dead) and it compares the percentages to the last couple of years of non-COVID pneumonia. It’s an incomplete picture because most of the people admitted to ICU so far are still there, so the only resolved cases are the unusually short ones.

Of course, the longer a person is ventilated, the less chance they have of making a good recovery, so sadly I’m expecting to see these numbers get worse in the next few weeks.

www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c31dd38d-d77b-ea11-9124-00505601089b

ICNARC CV19 report comes out every Friday. This is the third one.

But he said that many of those (20,000) UK deaths were likely to be old and seriously ill people who would have died from other conditions before the end of the year

Appearing via videolink, and drinking from a Keep Calm and Carry On mug, Prof Ferguson said: “We don’t know what the level of excess deaths will be in the epidemic, in that, by the end of the year what proportion of people who died from covid would have died?...

Its a judgement call, with my mum, i wish CV-19 had been around then & killed her, she suffered enormously after her stroke.

I agree about the NHS, it does need reorganising, it does need funding increased though, not because it has been cut (it hasn't) but because as we progress equipment wise it's more expensive; and the basic things like beds and community services end up being cut as a result. Thankfully procurement is being centralised finally, it's ludicrous it's taken this long. To the flu brigade, just reply yes, flu kills 20,000 with a vaccine and with a lot of the population having an element of immunity.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#confirmed-covid-19-deaths-by-country
Explains, amongst other things, why the case fatality rate of covid 19 can't be known yet - but its somewhere between 0.2 and 12% depending where you are. (seasonal flu is quoted at 0.1%)

The NHS is one of the world's largest employees, only behind the US DoD, Walmart, McDonald's and the people's liberation army - it obviously needs a large admin count - however at around 2% of the workforce that's tiny relative to any other significant organisation. Cf www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/future-leadership-and-management-nhs/managers-and-the-nhs

Despite being under resourced the NHS stands up very well relative to the rest of the world:
www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/articles/big-election-questions-nhs-international-comparisons

SIL just before our lockdown, 6,000 die each year from flu.

SIL yesterday - self isolation at home because the friend she’s been meeting has Covid19. SIL lives with mid 84 yr old FIL.

I had a nurse friend on Facebook post that stupid bastard meme about only 200 people died on this day on February post a month ago and more people died of flu/heart disease etc. She has since gone back and deleted it from her feed.

They have died WITH Covid 19, not all FROM. There is a huge difference. Please keep and eye on the ONS rates in the coming months, which will give us a better overall picture. The mainstream press are doing us a huge disservice of misinformation and scaremongering.
However, I AM staying indoors .. just in case!

Given this figure does not include those who have died in care homes or at home with carers, or the terminally ill, I think they have died of, not with.

@FrankieStein402 We spend less on healthcare per head than most European countries.

I think that it is good for everyone to express their opinion.

@Tdaadfb100 this is my issue with the reporting of figures, it doesn’t differentiate between those dying with it in their system and those whose death was directly caused by the disease, I suspect more will have died with it in their system than have died directly caused by it but that is purely my opinion

In Edinburgh we have a brand new hospital which was 2 weeks from opening when it was discovered that it was flooding. It may never open. It is costing £1.5 million per month because it has staff.

Now this brand new children's hospital is so screwed up none of it can be used in this crisis.

It is hard to describe something as underfunded when they are pissing away £1.5 million a month.

My poor dad was taken away in the middle of the night by ambulance drivers wearing hazmat suits. He died alone in intensive care. My mother and I are now trapped in isolation. She has also been desperately ill. We can’t even hold a proper funeral for him. Tell your fucking cousin flu doesn’t do that.

From what I've read, most of the reported deaths are WITH, rather than OF. A lot of them were people who were pretty unwell anyway - and yes their death might not have been imminent, but they could have been terminally ill/ on an end of life pathway.

Also - and at the risk of sounding callous - I've heard people of 80+ referred to as having no underlying conditions, and therefore dying OF this disease. Now I get that you can be over 80 and fit as a flea but you're beyond average life expectancy at that point, yes Covid may have done for you, but equally the flu next winter, or a nasty fall, or stroke or heart attack could all easily happen (and be fatal) at that age. I'm not wanting to hasten anyone's end but the reality is that most people over 80 weren't going to live for 10 or 20 more years. Some were, and some still will, just look at the 101 year old who's made a full recovery.

I'm still staying indoors, and not taking any unnecessary risks. But I'm also trying not to worry myself into an early grave too.