Keep calm. Season flu kills 20,000 a year

[Covidiot]

Sorry. Bit click batey but my fucking cousin said that to me today

Also:

• the NHS are exploiting situation for political reasons
• the NHS is not underfunded at all - it just needs a “proper revamp”
• the BBC are being far too pessimistic
• there is no shortage of PPE

I’ve tried to calm down. But several hours later I’m still fucking raging.

So I’m posting assuming most will agree and just tell me to calm the fuck down and ignore the Covidiot.

Jesus. How can people be so fucking deluded?

This is not flu.

Lilac I can't vouch for every NHS Trust in the country, but our Trust certainly doesn't have anyone like that. We have a Head of Estates - flowers would come under her remit, probably, in normal times. So would all technical maintenance for the entire Trust. She's been heavily involved in assessing where we are able to quickly install sufficient oxygen supplies. Queries about flowers in passing might happen in good times, but your late father wouldn't have seen everything else that goes on behind the scenes.

We also do have someone working on diversity in the workforce, because it matters - but it's just one of many things that person does. I've heard the 'Head of Diversity' trope so many times, usually in the right wing press. Most people who use it are clueless. In the past 10 years, the NHS has been cut to the bone.

In the winter of 17/18 there apparently 50000 excess winter deaths thought to be due to the Beast from the East and a not so great flu vaccine that year www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-vaccine-deaths-nhs-ineffective-crisis-bad-weather-illness-2017-a8660496.html

Normally each year we have a more effective flu vaccination which is given to children, those with medical conditions, the elderly and pregnant women which protects these groups. Also, lots of healthcare workers receive the flu vaccination and some people pay to get the flu jab from the chemist, etc. The trouble is that there is no vaccination for COVID 19 therefore everyone is unprotected. COVID 19 also does not appear to be seasonal like flu. Therefore, without the restrictions deaths could easily dwarf a particularity bad flu year.

Flu does not kill young healthy peiple.

Yes it does. I had a friend at university who did from pneumonia that followed flu. 19 and previously healthy, non - smoker just very very unlucky.

I agree though that Corvid is terrifying and on another level.

My cousin posted something today that says this virus was created by Bill Gates so he can get everyone's DNA...I use to think my cousin a sensible person, apparently I was very wrong.

The NHS is fucked, it's fucked because there is too much bureaucracy and red tape. Ffs Public Health England were arguing about whether testing swabs for Covid 19 were correctly approved.
No amount of money will sort that stupidity out. Some extremely brave Politician needs to rip it up and start again. The Nurses and Doctors don't have the necessary equipment but they still have to reach targets. The red tape is overwhelming. Those on the frontline doing 90% of the essential work should have the correct support.
In my area crutches, wheelchairs and walking aids have been discarded. for years. You couldn't return them because the hospitals wouldn't take them. Now with this crisis they're asking for the return of all unneeded equipment.
About 75/80% of the NHS budget is spent on court cases defending alleged negligence.
I've no idea whether any one person will be able to do this. There should be cross party support for complete reorganisation of the NHS.
It's not just that the Tories are shit Blair and Brown started the great sell out of the NHS.

Flu very nearly killed my child. Six weeks on life support in PICU in an induced coma. It scares me that this is so much worse than that but I don't deny that it is.

I agree with that . I think the nhs trust system ( not bought in by conservatives btw) was a big mistake .

This is a useful summary of death rates

Source: Office of National Statistics

Tell your cousin to put his money where his mouth is and go and volunteer in the local hospital.

Yes but flu does not rely on everyone needing a ventilator at the same time. Mortality rates for flu 0.1%. Mortality rates Covid 3-4%. That's a hell of a lot more dying of Covid!

Actually worldwide there have been more than 133,154 deaths from seasonal flu this year. more than 84,631 women have died in childbirth thisyear. more than 293,639 suicides this year. more than 369,617traffic fatalities this year? Why haven’t we banned cars when they’re clearly more dangerous than corona?

People die and the numbers of corona deaths you are seeing are counting many who would of died anyway.... that just happened to have corona at the time.

www.worldometers.info/

In 2012 29k people died of Pneumonia in the UK (British lung foundation) 58 were children, 1300 u64's and the rest over 64.

Prof Neil Ferguson told a HoC committee (last week) that 1/2 to 2/3rds of those dying would have died shortly in anycase.

Even if the UK death rate ended up at say 100k, out of a population of 66m, that is a tiny % chance of dying from it.

Italy's avg age of death from CV is 78.
www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/

....and i lived through a flu pandemic in 1968 that killed 1m worldwide.

I don't say any of this to minimise CV-19 but to keep myself sane.

It is flu. It is a member of the influenza family.

You need to stop watching tv and reading social media.

Furthermore, well over 16million people have died worldwide so far this year, only 100k of them died with Covid-19.

If you'd like to get angry about avoidable deaths, have a think about the 25k people who died today from hunger.

Source: Worldometer

In a very bad season over 6 months, yes it can. Normally more like 5-8,000. But not 1000 per day. This is going to kill nearly the peak flu amount in a couple of weeks. Interesting thing will be why it hasn’t in some countries - what did they do differently

It could kill 260000 people in a year- flu does not do this

It was 260000 if we flattened the peak by modest social distancing. Not we dealt with CV like we deal with flu then the study indicated we’d have double that.

Mortality rates Covid 3-4%

Source?

Why is the cousin a dick? The gov.uk stats for people over 65 in England alone were 25K in 2014-2015. Page 51. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839350/Surveillance_of_influenza_and_other_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2018_to_2019-FINAL.pdf

I've heard this flu comment before. Oh well, if 20,000 die ANYWAY, then that's OK then. Right?!

If 20, 000 people died in a factory explosion it wouldn't be OK either?

I really don't get the logic

Mortality rates for flu 0.1%. Mortality rates Covid 3-4%. That's a hell of a lot more dying of Covid!

This is the sort of stat banded around that is totally inaccurate, everyone knows when they have flu, its a very serious illness for any age to get, so easy to work out an accurate mortality rate.... whereas CV-19, for around 70 to 80% is more like a cold, so the death rate quoted is really out of the 20% or so who end up seriously ill.

SusieOwl4, the trust system (aka internal market) was introduced in April 1990, I was working at Kingston general hospital when it became Kingston hospital NHS Trust.....remind me who was in government at that time....

@jasjas1973 you seem to be missing the fact that we have a vaccine for flu every year. We don't for Covid!

The NHS is a bureaucratic behemoth, but it has been allowed to rise above criticism because it has become a sacred cow. No critical word can be spoken because its staff are saints. Which is mostly true, but there are a lot of opportunities and possible interventions that would make it work better, for staff and patients alike.

DH is an HVAC contractor for multiple NHS hospitals and trusts across the southern half of the UK. Yet despite having a 15 year record of keeping the hot water hot, every tiny hospital is allowed to make him jump through their individual set of bureaucratic hoops and fences to justify the middle managers' salary checks. A consistent set of standards could save the NHS millions to be spent on patient care.

Oh if she can tell me where I can get a gown I would be most appreciative

Actually worldwide there have been more than 133,154 deaths from seasonal flu this year. more than 84,631 women have died in childbirth thisyear. more than 293,639 suicides this year. more than 369,617traffic fatalities this year? Why haven’t we banned cars when they’re clearly more dangerous than corona?

Comparing current CV deaths with annual deaths like this is ridiculous. Assuming CV’s death rate is 1%, and if 60% is needed for herd immunity, that’s over 40 million deaths. Even if it’s just 0.1%, that’s 4 million.