Keep calm. Season flu kills 20,000 a year

[Covidiot]

Sorry. Bit click batey but my fucking cousin said that to me today

Also:

• the NHS are exploiting situation for political reasons
• the NHS is not underfunded at all - it just needs a “proper revamp”
• the BBC are being far too pessimistic
• there is no shortage of PPE

I’ve tried to calm down. But several hours later I’m still fucking raging.

So I’m posting assuming most will agree and just tell me to calm the fuck down and ignore the Covidiot.

Jesus. How can people be so fucking deluded?

This is not flu.

YANBU

It’s clearly a deadly virus which has turned the world upside down.

According to Oxford University, in a typical year, flu will kill about 600 people in the UK.
It's interesting info because they also talk about worldwide deaths caused by flu.
vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/influenza-flu

I agree about the non covid related deaths rising.

My friend is a home carer and she said one of her clients is deteriorating rapidly because the GP won't visit and the district nurses are reluctant to do so too.

I think jojo speaks sense - I too would like to know more about the figs - 2000 people die each day (average) each day. Are we losing 3000 a day now or less/more.

I know it’s horrific for the nhs team and am staying in. I would like more info than just earwash from the tories

AmelieTaylor has a patio and I have a 2.5t digger. We can sort this out in...ooo I dunno, 3/4 hour tops.

newgirls we are currently having an additional 900+ deaths a day on top of what is normal. That's a 30% higher rate than normal. I'd call that pretty damn serious.

As for NHS wastefulness - I've spent the past 3 weeks doing 10 to 14 hour days working on staff redeployment so people can get the care they need. Our senior management have been working longer hours and not having weekends. The reason there are relatively many senior staff is that they are needed to be on call over weekends and holiday periods. And anyone who thinks that means sitting at home having a normal weekend while nothing much happens is completely deluded.

In the UK alone we will lose more than 10k and it isn’t vulnerable or elderly it’s people of all ages. It’s so frightening

If I were cynical, the only possible answer is, no one here gets out alive.

But I'm not, so I will elaborate my answer to say that we all die, sooner or later. If you live in a nice environment, you will (probably) live longer than someone in a worse environment. If you earn enough, your food is likely to be more nourishing (and healthier) than poorer people will eat. If you are educated well and value education for it's own sake, your children will almost certainly do better in school, and achieve better than others. But any aberration in this rudimentary equation can skew statistics.

At any time, a contagious virulent disease that exacerbates any underlying tendency to poor health is going to hit the older, poorer and most exposed sections of the population hard.

But we all need to bear in mind that CV is a disease that the vulnerable die WITH and not necessarily FROM. It hastens deaths but isn't always the sole cause of death.

Tiredmum

Yep. Annoyingly click-baity. I'm tired of this.

Lulu’s report says 13000 people died of flu in 2008 /2009

Key disease facts
Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over r. Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.
The flu virus is very variable and changes over time. Each year there are different strains around, and a new vaccine has to be prepared to deal with them. Vaccination from previous years is not likely to protect people against current strains of flu.
There are three basic types of flu: A, B and C. Type A is the most dangerous; it is the one that can cause serious disease and also triggers worldwide pandemics. Type C causes mild disease. Type B can make you feel very ill, but it has never led to a worldwide pandemic.
Flu epidemics can kill thousands or even millions of people. The 1918 flu epidemic is estimated to have affected half the world's population, and killed 40-50 million people worldwide. The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that flu kills between 250,000 and 500,000 people around the world every year.
In the UK (and in the rest of the northern hemisphere) the annual flu season runs from about October to March or April. Most cases of flu occur between December and February.

Sad to say it, but your cousin isn't the only fuckwit out there. My friend's dh is similarly fuckwitted.

@jojobar about 60% higher I think I saw today

I'd ask her if in previous years have NHS staff ended up in ICU or been dying all in a days work?

I don’t understand people who use this as an argument. Flu kills 20,000 a year. This is killing nearly 1000 a day under a lockdown.....it’s very simple to do the maths and workout the size of this vs flu! YANBU

We've now moved this thread over to the Coronavirus topic, @Covidiot

I am in my 60s, and have only had flu properly once, in 1999 at Christmas. It hit DH and I like a wrecking ball, but our parents shrugged it off without symptoms. No two variants of a virus are exactly the same. COVID is less dangerous than anything like ebola.

Historically, bubonic plague killed two-thirds of the population in Europe in 1367, and again in 1666, with outbreaks in between.

Also the current death rate from corona does not include those who died in care homes or at home with carers.

I agree with him that a hell of a lot of reactions are way over the top.

But his comments are .....

I also think many don't know the numbers that die in the UK every day in 'normal' times. It's thousands. So the numbers sound horrendous, but it's a fraction of total deaths.

The average daily death rate is more like 1,600, so the 1,000 dying with Covid (in hospital) is significant. Granted, some of those would likely have died soon anyway, but surely not all, or even most?

John Campbell’s vídeo a day or two ago looked at recent data for people being treated in ITU with Covid. The average age was 61 and the middle quartile ranged from 52-70.

That means:
25% were under 52
50% were between 52 and 70
25%. were over 70.

Now, how many of the people you know under the age of 70 were you thinking might die in the next year or so? Probably not many.

He also said that in his local area, the death rate over recent weeks was 30% above normal - any of those which were Covid-related would already have been infected before lockdown. If - IF - that was extrapolated across the whole country and the whole year, would be close to 200,000 extra deaths. Which is on a par with the modelling which convinced Boris to introduce stricter measures.

I'm not sure that deaths in care homes should be counted in the population stats alloutoffucks because, by definition, those people are already aged or infirm and therefore more likely to die. That's a statistical view, not a judgement.

pointy you’re doing something important though, it’s certainly not you that he meant.

Not being head of diversity etc.

I’ll never forget the day his ICU round was interrupted by someone wanting his opinion on flowers in the car park.

Tell him to take maths lessons for a start .

What an idiot.

And since when would you be treated by someone who themselves has no immunity and are putting themselves at risk with every patient .

Plus Italy apparently has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and look what has happened there .

This is above politics.

deaths a day on top of what is normal

No, we don't. We can't know that yet. We're just tracking deaths with covid. We won't know how many extra until all this is over and we can look back to evaluate properly.