Keep calm. Season flu kills 20,000 a year

[Covidiot]

Sorry. Bit click batey but my fucking cousin said that to me today

Also:

• the NHS are exploiting situation for political reasons
• the NHS is not underfunded at all - it just needs a “proper revamp”
• the BBC are being far too pessimistic
• there is no shortage of PPE

I’ve tried to calm down. But several hours later I’m still fucking raging.

So I’m posting assuming most will agree and just tell me to calm the fuck down and ignore the Covidiot.

Jesus. How can people be so fucking deluded?

This is not flu.

There is lots of PPE but not necessarily in the right sizes, or in the right places. The tiny female nurse without a mask to fit her really doesn't care about that distinction. So your cousin is wrong.

@jasjas1973 it is not like a cold for 70 to 80% of people with it. That amount of people with it are not sick enough to be admitted to hospital. Which just means they are not unable to breath. Only the very sickest go to hospital. A large percent of the rest are very ill. To claim 80% its just like a cold is ridiculous

@DCOkeford why are you quoting Feb 2020’rates when first Recorded UK death from Coronavirus was 5 March?

And your argument that we shouldn’t worry about a virus because it’s death stats are below that of those dying from hunger is utterly deplorable; avoidable deaths - whether hunger, disease, war or whatever - are a tragedy irrespective of the cause. And you know that but you thought you’d make some pious comment to give yourself some sort of faux-virtuous halo. So sad for you.

We have had nearly 10,000 deaths from Covid-19 in the past MONTH. And that is only hospital reported deaths. So if flu kills 20,000 in a year, left unchecked how many do you think Coronavirus will kill? Answers on a postcard, please.

@Casino218

Not at all, i have one myself..... CV is so damaging because much like Smallpox in S.America, introduced by the Spanish, we have no immunity, so its overwhelming health services.

Flu vaccines are usually not very accurate, this seasons one was 70% and i got hit by flu regardless of the vaccine, a few years ago it was less than 10% effective.

My point is that CV is predominantly a disease of the elderly, those in poor health and numbers dying from it, at the moment, are relatively low in historical terms.

Going back to the 'young healthy people don't die of flu' comment - actually, young children (along with the elderly and vulnerable) can be quite badly affected by flu, which is one of the reasons that the flu vaccine is offered to all primary aged children. Early indications are that the mortality rate for young children might be higher for flu than for Covid-19. Yet loads and loads of parents every year turn down the flu vaccine for their children.

^ That should say 10,000 deaths in the UK in the past month from Covid-19. Clearly far more worldwide.

hexcel data: ttps://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
Graphs.....
www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2019-to-2020

Death toll 900+ and rising.. if this continues for a year and we stop the lock down and social distancing measures that's 328000 deaths annually. Bit deadlier than the flu

This is the sort of stat banded around that is totally inaccurate, everyone knows when they have flu, its a very serious illness for any age to get, so easy to work out an accurate mortality rate.... whereas CV-19, for around 70 to 80% is more like a cold, so the death rate quoted is really out of the 20% or so who end up seriously ill.

everyone knows when they have flu What?!? No they absolutely don’t! Everyone knows when they get severe flu symptoms from the flu. It’s estimated that 3/4 of people with flu are asymptomatic, with it ranging up from there to full blown symptoms.

Yes it is, the WHO, UK Govt et all have all said that for around 80% this is a mild illness, look at Cummings, Tom Hanks, Charles, Hancock, Pink, JKR all have recovered without to much trouble.

Colds of course can be very horrible but to claim those treated at home "Can't breathe" is rubbish as not being able to breath for around 1min is enough to kill you, what you mean is difficulty in breathing, which a cold can make you feel.

We have had nearly 10,000 deaths from Covid-19 in the past MONTH

Or even more starkly 5,700 deaths from Covid-19 in the past WEEK!

Direct quote from the ONS

A total of 150,047 deaths were registered in England and Wales between 28 December 2019 and 27 March 2020 (year to date), and of these, 647 involved the coronavirus (COVID-19) (0.4%); including deaths that occurred up to 27 March but were registered up to 1 April, the number involving COVID-19 was 1,639

Source: Office of National Statistics

@CrunchyCarrot Where are you getting this figure of '10,000 deaths a month in the UK alone' from?

There have been approx 100,000 deaths worldwide in the whole of this pandemic, how can there possibly be 10k a month in the UK alone?

@Bitterglitter, today's UK recorded deaths were over 900, the total is heading towards 10,000. But most would have been elderly or in poor health before they got CV, so it hastened death but may not have been the sole cause of demise.

I’m keeping some perspective, I still have more chance of dying in a car accident on my way to work (frontline nhs) than of the virus

I’m interested to know why it has been downgraded to low

Or even more starkly 5,700 deaths from Covid-19 in the past WEEK!

What is your source for this?

Your cousin is a major twat covidiot sending you lots of and and to blot her twattishness out

Yes it is, the WHO, UK Govt et all have all said that for around 80% this is a mild illness, look at Cummings, Tom Hanks, Charles, Hancock, Pink, JKR all have recovered without to much trouble.

Yes, I don’t disagree and that seems to be the case... My issue what that you said that EVERYONE knows when they get the flu. They don’t!

What is your source for this?

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

@jajas1973 you are not making sense. What do you mean relatively low in historical terms? That doesn't actually mean anything.

The fact is that even the top virologists in the world don't know the effects of this virus. I can tell you after contracting it that it is most certainly worse than flu. Yes I had that too in January!

Those studies on 70% being asymptomatic were done on mice, not a natural host for influenza.

Worked for nhs for 40 odd years and have to agree that there is a lot of wasted money. My son in law also works for nhs and says the same thing.
However that’s not to say that the nhs is not underfunded.

Or even more starkly 5,700 deaths from Covid-19 in the past WEEK!

What is your source for this?

That's correct, on 5th April the UK had 4934 deaths. By today a week later we've had 9, 875 deaths. That is 4,941 deaths in a week.

jasjas, colds are unpleasant, but normal. Most people get one most years, and some develop complications, which can be serious. Don't exaggerate so. You are much more likely to die in a road traffic accident.

It is flu. It is a member of the influenza family

No, it’s not. Flu is caused by influenza viruses, Covid 19 is caused by the new Coronavirus. It’s related to SARS.