Uk coronavirus deaths predicted to be 66,000 the worst in Europe, 2nd worse in world.

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Why does this not surprise me. We were appalling slow to allow lockdown. Govt u-turn on herd immunity. Allowing Cheltenham and other events to go ahead. Those in charge need to be held accountable when this is over.

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In Autumn, infection numbers will rise again and possibloly stay high over winter too

If numbers are v low by early May, as predicted, then we do need to get back to work and school,
because we may well then have another 6 months of restrictions, even if these are cycled through to give some relief.

the government's herd immunity strategy

The UK government hasn't done anything much different to other major European countries.

Has the Gov't even use the term 'herd immunity' anyway? I know the media did, but I keep seeing herd immunity in relation to the government in memes, but they never use quotes, or provide a source

The UK government hasn't done anything much different to other major European countries

Exactly...

@tonyaster That is a lie.
NOW it is not doing much different. That was not their initial strategy. They were forced to do a u turn.

@Flaxmeadow as far as I know the government has never used the term, but one of the scientists who advises them used it at some point when explaining hypothetical future scenarios. I forget the exact context, but it was something along the lines of Covid-19 becoming endemic like flu and requiring an annually tweaked vaccine, or if enough people develop herd immunity it might just fizzle out.

A million people die each year in the uk and many of those will die with covid before their time, but just to get the figure in context.

@Flaxmeadow Links to press conferences have been posted on MN where Boris with advisors gave briefings and yes the term herd immunity was used.
This is now being denied. Even though the evidence exists.
We are going to have a higher mortality rate than nearly every other country. This is part of the spin to try and get the public not to see it as a failure of government, which it is.
And some of us have been pointing out we were on this wrong path for a few months.

Yeah alloutoffucks, we aren't doing anything particularly differently.

NOW it is not doing much different. That was not their initial strategy. They were forced to do a u turn

Compared to who else? If you look at the unfolding of events in Italy, Spain and France for example, how different was the UK's response at the same point at which they has say 100 confirmed infections or 2 deaths?

@Newgirls Please don't post untrue information. About half a million people die each year in England and Wales.

We are going to have a higher mortality rate than nearly every other country, well, lets see shall we.

@AnnUumellemahaye No one else was pursuing herd immunity.

Apologies - it is 620,000 each year die in the UK.

Trying to be positive - our road traffic accidents are down dramatically. I am not defending the gov policy just asking that people understand the figures.

@newgirls I agree that people need to understand the figures.
But up to now more than 6,000 extra deaths are a lot of extra people who died before this time. Remember this only so far includes those in hospital from corona virus. Most people in care homes or close to the end of their life will not get admitted. They will die at home. So the vast majority of these will be additional deaths.

I wish people would actually read stuff before scaremongering it - and that is directed at the idiot media who published the story in the first place. Actually, if you read the report (and it is one of many -most of which say totally different things!) it says that deaths in the UK could be between 14,572 and 219,211, and they've basically guessed!!! Another report from Yale at the end of last week said 9,000. And NONE of those "academic guesses" are adjusted for the factoring of people who would have died of something anyway, because the most vulnerable groups are vulnerable to lots of things including death from natural causes!

Coronavirus is an unknown quantity and hindsight is going to be a wonderful thing. In 2018 616,000 people died in the UK. An ineffective flu vaccine that didn't protect against the prevalent flu strain in 17/18 caused an estimated additional 50,000 deaths according to the Office of National Statistics. There was a spike of 10,000 deaths from flue related causes in the first weeks of 2018. Did anybody notice? No they didn't. They still haven't.

Just reading about a study just out that predicts the UK will be the worst affected country in Europe by corona virus.

@AnnUumellemahaye No one else was pursuing herd immunity.

That wasn't what I asked.

And actually Australia does seem to be talking about herd immunity now and Sweden would appear to be adopting it as a strategy too.

With respect alloutoffucks, how the fuck do they know?!

Coronavirus is an unknown quantity and hindsight is going to be a wonderful thing. In 2018 616,000 people died in the UK. An ineffective flu vaccine that didn't protect against the prevalent flu strain in 17/18 caused an estimated additional 50,000 deaths according to the Office of National Statistics. There was a spike of 10,000 deaths from flue related causes in the first weeks of 2018. Did anybody notice? No they didn't. They still haven't

Interesting

@Moondust001 I have also been told on MN that the government's response to the most vulnerable by designating them as shielded group and providing support, is an excellent one.
So which is it?
These people would all have died anyway but the government has been ineffective at preventing them getting corona from not responding quickly enough?
Or the governments shielded programme has been excellent and these are people who were not identified as especially vulnerable to corona virus?
Because either way it is a failure.

@Tonyaster where did you get the extra 50,000 deaths from? The figures I have seen is that an extra 5,000 died f flu. And yes I was very aware of at that at the time. Because I keep up to date with current affairs. It was all over the news.

What is it you think the government should have been doing exactly alloutoffucks? What would you do if you were in charge?

I didn't, i was responding to moondusts post.

@AnnUumellemahaye You were pretending that the UK has done pretty much the same as every other government. We have not until 2 weeks ago. Which is why we are predicted to have the highest mortality rate in Europe.
But all a lot of people care about is minimising that. Pretending that all these people were on deaths door anyway and about to die and minute.

It is actually incredibly offensive. It makes me so angry. It is simply not true.

@AnnUumellemahaye Followed what WHO said tested, contact traced and isolated people. Stopped gatherings far far sooner, encouraged wfh far far sooner, introduced a lock down earlier, made sure PPE and ventilators were bought several months ago.
We knew this was coming.