China must have majorly downplayed their figures, right?

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We are now over 5,000 deaths and China just over 3,000. This isn't even possible is it, how have they managed to cover up their true numbers here?

Look at SARS. According to the official figures,

'During the period of infection, there were 8,098 reported cases of SARS and 774 deaths.'

Not many Chinese people believe those figures. Too many bereavements.

I agree the numbers are dodgy. Look at the graphs and when China is overlaid, it’s a complete outlier. With such a vast population living in densely populated areas, something stinks. Regardless of what we’ve seen on tv (or rather what the Chinese government have allowed us to see), their numbers don’t make sense.

@Bluntness100 if you are over 75 and live in an old people home they are not taking you into hospital. One carehome in Glasgow had 13 such deaths of residents showing covid 19 symptoms but because they weren’t admitted to hospital they have not been tested so aren’t part of the death total.

It's clearly vastly in excess of 3000, I don't believe for a second that they have the virus under control in China now either. It must have spread all over the country in the exact same way it has in the rest of the world.

I imagine more people have died of other causes in China during the lockdown. During the lockdown authorities prevented many people from getting cancer / heart treatment

Yes their figures may be dodgy but they've handled this better than the West

They welded people into their homes for lockdown. Which helped the coronavirus figures, because people who died at home having not been tested did not count towards them.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus-residents-welded-inside-their-own-home/

time.com/5813628/china-coronavirus-statistics-wuhan/

China is huge. Beijing is a long way from Wuhan and they shut the borders between states. The lockdown they did was a massive sacrifice, very harsh. They decided to do it that way partly because they had experience of SARS. We didn’t have experience of SARS and our politicians were scared to announce anything like as extreme.

According to analysis by Radio Free Asia, the official death toll in Wuhan of 2,535 may have been underreported by almost a factor of 20. The news organization cites reports that seven funeral homes in the city were each handing out 500 funeral urns with the remains of suspected COVID-19 patients daily for 12 days from March 23 to the traditional tomb-sweeping festival of April 5, which would indicate up to 42,000 urns in total. Other estimates based on the capacity of funeral home furnaces puts the figure at 46,800. None of the funeral homes in Wuhan contacted by TIME were prepared to comment.

time.com/5813628/china-coronavirus-statistics-wuhan/

Every country is bullshitting their figures, why point the finger at China?

I saw Japan getting a ton of praise the other day, as if they're not covering it up. Less than 100 dead? Yeah right.

China did a lot right - immediate and strict lockdown, building new facilities and so on. But they're China so they always get accused of being sneaky.

They decided to do it that way partly because they had experience of SARS. We didn’t have experience of SARS and our politicians were scared to announce anything like as extreme.

According to official statistics, fewer than 800 people died of SARS. Why would that experience make them more likely to take drastic action?

Unless, of course, they lied about the SARS deaths...

Yes I'd say do, knowingly or otherwise.

I read the difference between UK and Germany death rates is died 'with' COVID vs died 'from' COVID. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

I don't trust China's numbers, no. I don't believe them for the second.

Italy hopefully is over the worst, and they’ve done their best. Undoubtably lots of people died early because of CV, but not from CV. There is some Italian analysis already.
During the Ebola peak there wee more additional deaths form childbirth than there where from Ebola in some countries.
It’s hard to get right.

It was clearly more than 800 from SARS!

@BrooHaHa Wuhan is only one city in the locked down province of Hubei!

Of course, it's China!

They've been censoring information that goes IN TO their country for decades, why wouldn't they also get creative with information coming OUT OF their country?!

They probably have.

BUT China also obsessively and repeatedly tested. And we aren't doing that.

UK is not testing everyone therefore infection rates are inaccurate
UK is not counting deaths outside hospital.
UK are not updating the recovery rate. 135 people and that hasn't changed in a week?

We are no better
Germany are testing every man woman and dog but not declaring the death if there is underlying health issues.
Everyone is fiddling the figures.

Any animosity toward China as regards Covid-19 has been well-earned. If China had done a better, faster job at containment and been honest about the virus from the beginning, maybe it wouldn't have spread as far as it has.

I have no tears for the Chinese government and this mess they've dragged us all into.

I've read another long thread about this exact topic earlier today, I think it was today anyway, might be worth a search to get more information OP

I read on one website, that they know the figures are not right based on mobile phone records and its a lot higher

My problem is, that I didn't save where I read it or have been able to find it again, so I have no clue how much bullshit that actually was

their numbers don't seem to add up with the testimonies about the number of funeral urnes being delivered, but who knows.

It doesn't really matter now, they had a much stricter lockdown and ultimately it was needed and seemed to have work. We know what to do.

It doesn’t add up. Literally.

If China had done a better, faster job at containment and been honest about the virus from the beginning, maybe it wouldn't have spread as far as it has.

the same could be said about the UK or any other country who is doing a very poor job at containment and lockdown of their own citizens!

I have a feeling a great reckoning is coming.