Boris in ICU

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Oh Boris no 🙁

Praying for Boris to get better.

What does it mean to be moved to ICU as a precaution? Surely, the NHS wouldn't just send someone to ICU as a precaution, doesn't that take up space/resources for someone who actually needs it.

Is there something they don't want to tell us here? It's difficult to know if he is seriously ill or just okay. Earlier today there were saying he was working from hospital.

@nuttymomma It's 50:50.

Cherry pavlova

(i'll be making a pavlova for Easter)

Thanks for your comments.

Unlike so many posters on this thread, it's clear some posters like myself have little knowledge of ins and outs of private medical facility and care available at different levels of need.

I would have thought like I assume the Queen... There would be perhaps a '' rested '' doctor somewhere who had perhaps not been on long shifts in crap ppe, slogging his /her guts out on public wards.

I just thought the Queen, prime minsters would have a different level of care... Even if it was via fresh, rested medics.

Imagine some poor high level medic dragged off 12 hours end shift to come back to look after vp??

Anyway, thanks cherry.. It's the '' expertise '' isn't it.... The experience that's the gold here...

I don’t think anyone would be moved to ICU unless they needed to be there. I have heard people with this can deteriorate quickly so being sat up in bed working in the afternoon doesn’t mean he can’t be struggling to breath unaided now.

I guess I thought he’d have access to a drugs protocol that perhaps the rest of us wouldn’t receive due to volume limitations. I had this ridiculous notion that a combination of various medicines would sort out those important people who run governments

Huh?

People actually think stuff like this?

You know this is real life and not a film, right?

I just don't get how Prince Charles gets away with a sniffle and Boris Johnson 20 years younger is in ICU. It seems so random

It is random.

I spent 8 weeks sitting by the bedside of my father in ICU. It's not about being in a nicer place. These people are very ill. The people who look after them are amazing

I'm praying hard for Boris and his family. We need our Prime Minister.

Apologies if I upset anyone I just hope that people know when the s**t hits the fan the nhs icu is the best place you could hope to be. That’s all

meant better facilities; a hospital that is less stretched and maybe has more money behind it? I don't know.

Better facilities like what though?

As has been said, Private Hospitals are lovely for planned admission, minor treatments and quick waiting lists etc, but they are in no way designed for ITU care.

I have known of numerous patients who go for private treatment and then end up in NHS hospitals when it all goes wrong.

As has been said, people don’t mean to be unkind, it’s just strange that in times like this, when’s he’s seriously ill, probably already on a ventilator and you imagine that he would be somewhere with better facilities.

He needs to be with the medical staff who are best trained to treat him and that will always be in an NHS hospital whilst his health needs are as they are.

I imagine that he’d rather be looked after by experienced, extremely highly trained ITU staff than be somewhere with nice curtains his own TV, and a private shower room with fancy shampoo

*Is there something they don't want to tell us here? It's difficult to know if he is seriously ill or just okay. Earlier today there were saying he was working from hospital.
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If he's in icu he's not okay. Didn't dominic raab admit at the meeting this morning that he hasn't spoken to him in over 24hours??

@justanotherneighinparadise

Sadly there have been varying reports of drug cocktails that have been tried, from high dose IV Vit C, blood thinners and anti-vitals. There's no defined therapeutic
regimen that seems consistent (as far as I'm aware). Hence why it's so bad.

And what is the treatment other than a ventilator?

Depends on how the virus is affecting that particular patient. All medics can really do is keep testing and then support whatever is deficient and hope to keep the body’s levels in balance while the virus runs its course and antibodies develop to fight it.

If he is on a ventilator, it is fifty survival chances. And there is no other treatment as I understand. He either recovers on a ventilator, or does not.

All the best Boris

He is very unwell, there's no doubt about that. ITU is not the place to go to for monitoring purposes or 'just in case' no matter who you are. I think he is likely to be tubed soon.
He is in very good hands and I really hope he pulls through.

This is terrible news. It's a struggle to know what to say, other than I genuinely hope he gets through this.

This is a really good interview with a consultant intensivist at Royal Gwent Hospital in Wales.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ejlbCmRJMW4

What does it mean to be moved to ICU as a precaution?

My guess is that it means there's a risk the PM might deteriorate further. Obviously it's being played down, the nation is going stir crazy as it is, but there is still that risk there. A risk which is significant enough to warrant being on that ward.

If I thought this was a film I’d have picked a bloody Disney cartoon over I Am Legend 🤦🏻‍♀️

My neighbours are celebrating, unbelievable. Fuckwits.

This is so awful, whatever the politics, poor Boris.

And for whoever asked, the Royal Family are traditionally treated at King Edward VII Hospital but it depends on the condition - I doubt they'd be geared up for Covid or even have an ICU. I think all the private hospitals are now taking the overspill of non-Covid patients who still need urgent care or providing additional staff to the NHS any way.

And St Thomas' is an amazing hospital. He will get the best care there is.

@PinkSparkleUnicorns

I imagine the pm is having private healthcare, not NHS? So different measures to send to ICU could apply?
Why would he be having private healthcare? He is in an ICU of an NHS hospital. They aren't going to have a two tier system of intensive care treatment are they?

I think one of the things that so shocking about the virus, and has been highlighted in this thread, is people's expectations of 'science' and medicine is beyond what is currently available for COVID-19. Open heart surgery and even some cancer isn't a death sentence in many cases these days so to be faced with the prospect of everything money can buy still makes no difference, is more shocking to people.

I don't understand what there is celebrate, how low can you be?
Really hope he pulls through.

I just don't get how Prince Charles gets away with a sniffle and Boris Johnson 20 years younger is in ICU.

I think Prince Charles is quite health conscious; not overweight for example, so he might have better reserves to fight off the disease than many a younger man.

people's expectations of 'science' and medicine is beyond what is currently available for COVID-19

Yes that’s what an Italian doctor was saying in an interview I saw - that despite everyone’s best efforts at saving people, many could not be saved, and the medical staff had never seen anything like it. It was completely outside their norm - they were used to making people better and they simply couldn’t.