People demanding a full lock down

[Londongirl88888]

It really really annoys me! Most of us are following rules. Not even going for a walk most days. People are kicking off on my local corna page that theres more cars in town today. So they now think we need a full lock down.

Firstly it's the weekend. More people will be shopping due to being at work all week? People might be shopping for other family and dropping it off.

Theres a police statement that the a52 is really quiet and they are saying well done for listening.

People are allowed out for walks. It's important for dogs, children and adults to get air and move around. It should be one walk a day. It can't be controlled if 400 people choose to do just that between 1-2pm or only 30 do. So yes the streets may sometimes show more people. But most of them are probably just going for a walk. The only thing we have left for our minds and health.

I'm not talking about people having picnics,
Travelling for an afternoon walk somewhere,
Sneaking to see family unless they need help.

I'm saying the majority of people are going to be doing the decent thing.

I think rather than fully locking us down fine the minority sat in groups and doing the "wrong" things. Give them a full lockdown but don't punish the many decent people.

The parents/people in flats without gardens need to walk

Young children need to move.

We all need to move about.

Also i wish people would stop getting in a rage about cars being out. There are no online shopping slots. So thousands of locals will need to go out for food each week. Milk and bread etc will need buying for many every few days. Pet food needs buying. Prescriptions need collecting. Workers need to go to and from work.

A huge majority of people are following the rules. I'm sick of everyone being put into the same category. My kids have gone for their 3rd walk in two weeks just now with their dad. I'm sure people will be tutting and presuming we are another family out and not listening. They need to get out for 15 minutes today though. They are starting to climb the walls and get bored.

Far too many irate people at the moment.

Well I went for a run at 5.30 this morning AND then took my children out for a walk at lunch time

And you sound smug for breaking the rules. You can only go out for exercise once a day. If you have to take the kids out, you need to forego your morning run

How sad, arguing about going to the shop for a pint of milk and a loaf of bread 😔 people spying on their neighbours making sure you only leave the house once, I feel like we are in a social experiment to see how far people will take the new rules and turn it into to a police state, how things of changed in 3 weeks, I’m sad for the next generation and many here keen for it to go for 2 years, what sort of life are we living 😢

One thing this has shown me how easy it is to control the masses through fear. 😔

Agreed @Gin96

Almost as if it were to see how far we can be pushed before civil society breaks down.

Really...you need to be less self righteous. There’s no law that says once per day and running at 5.30 is hurting no one. People will have to sustain this for some weeks and months and need some lassitude to have exercise provided it is sensible and fits the guidelines on 2m etc

Milk and bread are essentials but you don't need to go out every few days to get them. Just freeze them.

The thing this has highlighted for me is how few people understand the very basics of life.

I have been really surprised, for example how poorly people have understood the new law.

The Regulations do not mention anything about having to stay local to exercise, or driving to do so, hence many people have claimed the law is 'vague'.

The reality is that, unless something is specifically prohibited by the state (proscribed) then you are able to do it.

No mention of a ban on driving to exercise = it being perfectly ok to do so.

This is such a basic tenet of the relationship between the individual and the State, yet almost nobody understands that this is how it works.

I've witnessed people (three adults all of a, similar age, four children between them) congregating in a very small local park. The kids were running around close to others and the adults were oblivious, smoking and chatting. Other people I have spoken to have also had people come too close or seen people flagrantly flouting the rules. I wonder whether the government havecfacroted in a percentage of the population who are unable to follow simple rules in their planning or whether we need to simply the rules?

Milk and bread are essentials but you don't need to go out every few days to get them. Just freeze them

It doesn't matter if they are 'essential' or not - the word 'essential' isn't even in the Regulations.

Why do people keep bandying it around?

@Cam2020 How do you know they are not from the same household?

Once again hysteria reigns ....

It’s the language used, “I witnessed 5 people going for a walk” like they have committed murder, what has the world come to, if it’s like this now I dread to think what life is going to be like in the next 3 weeks.

I think we are very lucky. We live in a small village and haven't seen anyone ignoring the advice when we've been walking our dog. We've been in isolation for three weeks because my DH is 79, has cancer and diabetes and I am 69 and have diabetes. I have been lucky enough to have our groceries delivered so far but after the ones I have booked I will have to go to the supermarket because it seems we aren't vulnerable enough. It scares me. But I am also scared of the effect of total lockdown on my sons who live in flats in London with no outside space. I think some exercise is important for mental health. More than anything though, I want to see my sons again, including the one who lives in Spain. So I will do whatever is necessary.

I used to watch old war films and be disbelieving when neighbours shopped neighbours for hiding people in their attics/cellars etc, and then I'd think "Oh, but people wouldn't do something like that now, just out of bitterness or a grudge against someone for something petty" but I'm beginning to realise that that sort of person does actually exist. They're creeping out from under their rocks right now.

Why not just throw everyone in prison to ensure we ‘save’ the few thousand that would have died anyway.

Listen to yourselves. You wonder how Hitler was able to commit such atrocities?!

This!

People like you baying for freedoms to be taken away. For people who ‘don’t comply’ to be strung up and lynched.

Take a moment to consider that we are all doing our best. My best may not en the same as your best, it may not be what you would do. But it is my best.

purplebunny2012 : You need to understand what is law and what is guidance.

There are no 'rules' about exercise in the legislation other than Police can potentialy sanction you if you're outside your home without 'reasonable excuse' . In the legislation a 'reasonable excuse' is exercise alone or with members of your household. No limit on how many times or what form or for how long.

Guidance says once a day. Guidance is just that, not a 'rule'. Same as guidance about not becoming obese, not eating fruit and veg, not smoking, not drinking too much. Not 'rules'.

Perhaps you should educate yourself before you try to make someone feel shit for breaking 'rules' you've made up in your head.

Especially when it's someone going out for a lone run pre-dawn then going out for a walk with their children later.

I dread to think what life is going to be like in the next 3 weeks

I think, by then, they will have locked it down with French style systems in place. Then people will really bitch and moan without a hint of realisation that they caused it by ignoring advice.

Government is clear:
You should only leave the house for very limited purposes:

shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible.

one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.

any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid or escape risk of injury or harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.

travelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.

It is important for mental health to have a stroll for even 10 minutes, dogs do need a walk each day, key workers might be the majority out at weekends or weekdays food shopping? I am a Key Worker for the NHS, but Key Workers also include council working on electrical, gas and water lines, Bank workers helping people freeze their mortgages, food store workers, transport workers getting key workers to their workplace, the list goes on, so those people would I imagine definitely need a fresh air wall each day and need to buy food at different times, so a full lock down would be impossible

@DCOkeford I took the update last week to mean that people were supposed to be out in groups of no more than two? I could have it wrong there.

@Gin96 saw/witnessed - what does it matter which word is used? It still means the same thing!

Why is expecting people to comply with something they've been asked to do for the public good and so as not to over burden the NHS hysteria? Chances are, a lot of the people who have died or have been ill enough to be admitted to hospital would probably have died of something anyway (as in old age, cancer, flu etc.) but not all at the same time!

@sunshine11 actually Hitler was well liked at the start and to Germany at least his early measures made logical sense. That in essence is why so many people followed his ideologies and snitched on neighbours etc because it made sense to them to do so 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Cats0204 actually there are lots of ways you can mentally and physically satisfy your dogs needs without going for walks.

@sunshine11 exactly, the poor single Mum with 3 young children stuck in a flat, who will be suicidal without that second walk in the sunshine.

@sunshine11 I should clarify that this is coming from a historian perspective and this is what I did my dissertation on as well as other things

I know 2 people who’ve run their own marathons this week, hardly a reasonable level of exercise so I think people aren’t really taking it serious enough

@twinkle2306 it was through fear Hitler managed to do what he did.