Grandchildren are next-door!!!

[Redwoodmaz]

I am fuming. I haven't seen my son [27] since before lockdown.
And our nextdoor neighbours have their adult children and grandchildren in their garden!!!
What don't they understand about 'Don't visit family or friends who don't live with you" ????

If the bloody football comes over the fence they're not having it back.

mobile.twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1246707897792376833

Despite the hot weather this weekend, you MUST not meet up with anyone outside your home. Cross mark

This includes any family or friends you don't live with.

Please keep in contact by phone, messages, or video calls online.

Most people are following the rules but everyone should.

I agree Lola. There's a massive difference between sourly commenting on people throwing some chocolate and wine into the trolley during their grocery shop, and being concerned and angry at people blatantly flouting restrictions in a way that will make it impossible to slow the community spread of covid 19.
But some people, including some posters on this thread including the one who posted the picture of the woman with binoculars, don't seem to understand that difference.

Carbosug Why? I'm complying.

I'm utterly heartsick that this situation, which is horrendous enough of its own making, is being made much worse by posters hectoring and posters who don't comply. Neither 'set' is doing any good.

It's hard to find threads not about the virus but I'm going to try - or go and do something else.

BBC need

Exercise outside the home could be banned if people ignore the lockdown rules on staying at home and social distancing, the health secretary said.
Matt Hancock told the BBC's Andrew Marr that the government would "take action" if further measures are needed to bring the coronavirus under control.
It comes after reports of groups of people gathering in parks during sunny weather this weekend.
The latest death toll in the UK reached 4,313 on Saturday.
Mr Hancock said: "If you don't want us to have to take the step to ban exercise of all forms outside of your own home, then you've got to follow the rules."
The health secretary said the vast majority were sticking to the guidelines, adding: "Let's not have a minority spoil it for everybody."

Half of the problem is people do not see what goes on inside these hospitals.... it's like a war zone ...but only the frontline guys have to witness this ..... NHS staff who if they survive will be treated for PTSD.
Risking their lives for others.....

Not enough frontline evidence in the media to help the idiots realise what us actually going on in out local hospitals!

Fingers crossed after this people will learn to respect the NHS more and mot turn up to A&E with something they can quite easily self manage from their comfy home.

Alder Hey A&E had a patient the other day ..normally its 1,000's!

Stay at home ....that's all you got to do !

Influenza remains one of the world's greatest public health challenges. Every year across the globe, there are an estimated 1 billion cases, of which 3 to 5 million are severe cases, resulting in 290 000 to 650 000 influenza-related respiratory deaths.11 Mar 2019
www.who.int ›

Mind boggling that we dont have to stay / practice social distancing in over this global public health threat.

Lolasmiles that would be funny! We could award rosettes to the top ten most stupid ones. If they’re still alive.

My mum, who is elderly and at risk, had been a star isolating. She gets frustrated seeing others she knows blatantly flouting the guidelines/lockdown. I tell her it’s probably them that will catch it, at least you’re keeping safe.

In the uk we vaccinate for flu, protecting the most vulnerable with the vaccine and reducing spread to others as a result, so we don't need social distance

What you are calling out with flu is the horrible health inequality in the world

Perhaps Matt Hancock should not have said on BBC Question Time on Thursday that it was OK to drive somewhere for exercise. These mixed messages are really not helpful and give idiots a chance to try and bend the rules to suit themselves. Now he's on about possibly banning outdoor exercise altogether which would be hugely counter productive.

It’s not going to take anywhere near the rest of the year to get to 1billion Cv cases from here anyway. We’re at 1 million already and still on an exponential growth rate.

The annual flu stats and the Covid stats aren’t on the same scale

Perhaps Matt Hancock should not have said on BBC Question Time on Thursday that it was OK to drive somewhere for exercise. These mixed messages are really not helpful and give idiots a chance to try and bend the rules to suit themselves. Now he's on about possibly banning outdoor exercise altogether which would be hugely counter productive
This with bells on.

For all there were a couple of posters saying they genuinely needed to drive to exercise safely (eg live on rural 60mph roads that are a hazard to walk along), most posters whining about how they want to walk their dogs somewhere else / it's not against the law to do to the woods or parks etc were quick to accuse people talking about avoiding non essential travel of promoting a police state.
When Hancock said it's fine to drive locally there was so much gloating about how that makes everything fine.

Lots of us pointed out that this would give idiots a green light to drive off where they like and call it their exercise and sure enough that's what happened.

As someone who runs multiple times a week I'll be pissed off if I lose my right to exercise because some idiots decided they fancied a picnic and a wander with friends.

Good summary of how easily the virus can spread

I love this little reminder

Mind boggling that we dont have to stay / practice social distancing in over this global public health threat.

1. We have vaccines with a high rate of protection
2. The flu ‘season’ occurs in different time periods across continents
3. Most people have some sort of immune response - people who have been exposed to many flu viruses (different mutations) have partial protection against newer mutations.
4. We have antivirals that can treat infection
5. Many deaths are caused by secondary infections i.e. bacterial pneumonias which ‘take advantage’ of the compromised immune system. Those pneumonias can often be treated by antibiotics.

And actually, during a serious flu outbreak older people and those who are vulnerable are encouraged to reduce social contact, while we are all told to wash our hands regularly.

Oh and to be clear the antivirals are effective against many flu species.

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe It's not just about complying yourself. People who make out that worrying about other people complying is being nosy and curtain twitching are showing a huge lack of awareness of how flattening the curve works.

Carbosug, have you seen the 'cucumber' thread? I don't know if it's real or not but, the same sort of ranting is across every single thread.

It's the same posters - or of the same mind - who are ranting about people being out exercising several times a day or shopping several times a week. Conversely, another poster posted about a loud party that was going on and actually did report it to the police. Not one person on the thread called her a curtain-twitcher, including me.

My point is that ranting threads achieve nothing except a lot of bad feeling. The people who aren't complying will either not care (in which case they're baiting you (generic) and you're getting sucked in - or they are asking questions which, to posters for whom that is an irrelevant scenario, take immediate umbrage and slap them down with much name-calling.

What is the point of that? It's unpleasant for everybody else to read and some posters are using this virus and this board for their own personal playground.

You talk of showing a 'lack of awareness', Carbosug, well that seems to be a common theme here. Most people are complying and following the advice of government; more than that the do not need to do and posturing and talking down to posters on Mumsnet isn't going to get it done.

*they do not need to do

Can I ask what everyone thinks of this (including @LyingWitchInTheWardrobe):

www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/oops-upside-your-head-3-4022003?fbclid=IwAR2eBHAF6tT960wAFXh3n2oLrLKMY0cLszTJ1SJuDG-qg22CHJRq2k1m9UE

Hope that link works. That's not the only one. In my village alone I know of two such events at the weekend, one outside my front door! I also saw something on the BBC about a similar event last week - people say that as they are standing a few feet apart its ok.The one on the BBC was held up as a shining example of community spirit. But I don't understand how this is different from all those people walking to the local park 5 minutes away and doing the same thing. How is one (street party) a great service to the community to keep their spirits up and the other (sitting the same distance apart if not more in the park) a police matter?

I think both are equally as irresponsible but if I had to chose, I'd rather be in the park as the lesser of the two "evils". For what its worth social distancing at our street party lasted about 10 minutes before everyone was dancing together; people came in from other streets to join in too - oh and those who didn't take part were pilloried on facebook later.

Or should I start my own thread? I just thought there were so many threads and this one seemed like a similar discussion?

DishingOutDone, we're not the Borg. That's the main point really and interpretation is different. I scrolled down that article to the police officer doing a 'compliant' outdoor Zumba class and smiled, thinking that's how it's done.

The people in that close/street having a permissible distance get-together well, they presumably venture out shopping and they put the bins out and interact with people on a permissible basis anyway. Whatever the risk is we just won't know and nor will we know the impact.

We are going to lose people we love and people we don't know, we don't know how many. Making people's lives a misery when they're following the spirit of the instructions, isn't useful and in fact, it's counter-productive. It's not just the exercise, it's the mental health of many people that has taken a complete hammering through the government lockdown and what do we have? Absolute gratuitous finger-wagging and vitriol from a 'gang' of inadequates who trawl the site. I have no time for them.

What I do know is that this site has gone from being a support to being a sore trial. If I were MNHQ I'd probably shut it down to thwart those who are enjoying using it for their own personal battlegrounds but I think they (MNHQ) are made of sterner stuff.

Up is down at the moment and down is up, nothing will be the same for now, or for a while or maybe even forever, but this Stasi-esque behaviour is just risible, pathetic and unnecessary. Nobody is being 'pulled into line' by it and most are complying. Those that are not are outside the scope of a chatboard telling-off anyway, we have a police force to enforce.

That's what I think.

The pillorying on FB though, I'd give them both barrels and they wouldn't be on my list of 'friends'.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe

Maybe it would help everyone's state of mental health if we realised how many millions of people are doing their best to comply, instead of concentrating so much on the few who seemingly are not.

Coyoacan, I completely agree with you.