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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

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TheStarryNight · 03/04/2020 17:17

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MurrayTheMonk · 05/04/2020 09:49

That article re care is bang on.
Wages for my service have cost an extra 10 k more than they usually would since our first suspected case in a service user on 17th March.
The LA have said they *may reimburse us for extra wages caused by the corona virus but only from 1st April onwards.
Management above me have now seen fit to remove my staffs 83 p wage uplift (the danger money they'd said we could pay the well ones to encourage them to pick up extra shifts I so desperately needed them to) from tomorrow, because we don't know if we will get the money back.
We still have one suspected case in service and lots of staff off. I still need my team to pick up extra work.
I can't look them in the eye at the moment-except I'm also working double and more my normal hours-so at least they see I'm in it with them.
This needs firm leadership from the government now because the system is about to break in a big way if providers go out of business or care homes fail.
Social care keeps people out of hospital in the first place-even in normal times.
If the providers can no longer operate the NHS will really be swamped. And people will die from neglect as much as from Covid.

mrshoho · 05/04/2020 09:50

Peter Walker @peterwalker99
Matt Hancock hints the right to take exercise amid lockdown could be taken away if too many people breach social distancing rules.

Yes I think this happened in Italy/Spain part way through their lockdowns. Didn't they also shut down non essential construction/manufacturing there too after a while?

RedToothBrush · 05/04/2020 09:55

So today, faced with the threat of exercise being removed, lots of people are going to go out and be dicks in the sunshine whilst they still can....

woodencoffeetable · 05/04/2020 10:04

here all car and bicycle parks are closed along the coast (the most amazing sandy beaches). the most popular towns are for residents only with police checks and road closures.
even the cycle path along the coast is closed.
I don't know if the pedestrian access are closed off. but we are staying in the neighbourhood anyway.

ajandjjmum · 05/04/2020 10:26

Still got 5 cars parked at the end of our drive - in a narrow country lane - having driven to take their exercise. So many more people now - and loads of them seem to think it's acceptable to march straight across a field of crops.

NoWordForFluffy · 05/04/2020 10:27

I can't see the beaches being busy here, thankfully, as the wind chill is quite extreme, bringing the temp down to 'a bit too cold to sit in'. The wind on its own is quite fierce too.

People will flout rules, then bitch when our restricted rights are totally squashed. Utter fuckwits.

MarshaBradyo · 05/04/2020 11:09

They closed Brockley Park SE London yesterday 3000 people hanging around too much.

Saucery · 05/04/2020 11:15

So depressing. Just back from our walk, everyone so considerate, as they have been for the last couple of weeks. I’d be tempted to say if I can’t walk safely then I can’t do my essential job either, so fuck it. I won’t, but being treated like a prisoner because some people can’t get it in their thick heads that they need to exercise from their local area pisses me off so much.

Eeyoresstickhouse · 05/04/2020 11:35

If exercise time gets banned I am going to be majorly pissed off. I am sure the people who are breaking all of the rules are the ones who probably have a garden at home and other ways to exercise if they want. They dont give any fucks for the people who rely on this as they have no outside space at all. And when full lockdown happens they will still be able to go in their garden. But, people like us with a 3 year old will just be stuck indoors permanently. We don't have a balcony or anything.

Selfish fucks. Maybe the government should ban all people being outside even if you have a garden (yes I know that's unenforceable but I am very bitter about this at the moment).

middleager · 05/04/2020 11:38

3,000 people? Jeez...

Jade1976 · 05/04/2020 11:56

@ofwarren was it you who had kittens, it seems so long ago? Hope you are improving and DS is well.

LilacTree1 · 05/04/2020 11:59

Hi all
Sorry if I missed it, do we have a time for the briefing today?

Thanking you. (Sorry, went all olde world there)

woodencoffeetable · 05/04/2020 12:02

They closed Brockley Park SE London yesterday 3000 people hanging around too much.

why do 'they' not enforce the distance rules instead?

MarshaBradyo · 05/04/2020 12:04

‘They’ tried apparently.

read more here

MarshaBradyo · 05/04/2020 12:28

Has anyone thought about the changes to loans?

Now you don’t need to put your asset / house up. This would put nearly all people off but now it’s relaxed how will they stop future defaults?

JellyFishSquish · 05/04/2020 12:33

www.itv.com/news/2020-04-04/scotlands-chief-medical-officer-pictured-visiting-second-home/

One rule for us, another "rule" for them

mrshoho · 05/04/2020 12:54

@JellyFishSquish What makes it worse is the pathetic attempts to justify it. She needed to check on her other property as she knew she would not be able to go there again for some time So she took her whole fucking family to check on it and stayed for the weekend!

SansaSnark · 05/04/2020 13:08

Surely before the right to exercise is removed, we need to stop people going to non-essential workplaces?

There are lots of factories/warehouses/construction sites etc that are still open, despite not being essential. In these places, it isn't always possible to socially distance, and there will be lots of touching of things other people are touching. There may also be limited access to handwashing for some people. People may also be traveling to work on public transport.

The risk of transmission of going for a walk/jog around a quiet park is so much lower, compared to going to work in an environment like that.

It's putting the economy before people's wellbeing once again.

I do think the current rules may need to be explained more clearly (on Friday, Matt Hancock couldn't even say that people shouldn't go for a picnic), and also the rules need to be enforced, but I don't think tightening them up, without stopping more people from going to work, will help.

TheCanterburyWhales · 05/04/2020 13:15

Mrshoho- yes, non essential production closed down about the end of the first week (which is why I can't find anything in my kitchen cupboards cos dp has organized them all grrr) and parks, seafronts etc are mainly closed off because too many people were going.

mrshoho · 05/04/2020 13:19

If the rules were updated to staying within 2 or 3kms of your home when exercising this would stop a lot of the parks and seasides issues. People still need to be allowed out of their homes surely and I think this is what Italy and oth ere countries have done.

mrshoho · 05/04/2020 13:20

crossed posts Caterbury!

SansaSnark · 05/04/2020 13:22

@mrshoho I agree, I think that would be a sensible update to the rules- maybe 1hr, within 2km of your home, and you have to carry some paperwork like France, self-certifying when you've been out and why.

There's lots of middle ground between the vague "you can exercise" we've got now, and banning it completely.

RedToothBrush · 05/04/2020 13:26

www.newstatesman.com/world/north-america/2020/04/how-long-will-we-hold-inside-new-york-s-struggle-against-coronavirus
“How long will we hold?” Inside New York’s struggle against coronavirus
The US city has become the epicentre of the Covid-19 outbreak. In this remarkable account, one senior doctor describes life on the frontline of an emergency department

There are tents outside our hospitals, and in our parks. Every time I see them, I stop, startled. Their drab and dirty flaps seem so out of place against the grand facades of world-class health facilities. But we are in utterly desperate times.

The last time I worked in a tent was in west Africa in 2014. There, I was providing medical care to patients suffering from Ebola. In those same tents, I saw agony, loneliness and death. I saw people dying alone. I never thought I would have to experience that again. I never wanted to; once was painful enough. But in New York we have no other option now but to erect medical tents; our ICUs are filling up too fast, and the city’s hospitals will soon be at breaking point, unable to bear the number of those infected with the coronavirus.

And

But it’s not the volume of patients that is hitting us; it’s the severity of the symptoms: respiratory arrest, respiratory arrest, respiratory arrest. Each critical patient requires six to eight professionals: nurses, respiratory technicians, ER doctors, anaesthesiologists. Each resuscitation takes an hour or more: starting medications, putting in breathing tubes, setting up ventilators, managing blood pressure. Back to back for 12-hour shifts, every day.

It’s not just the severity of cases either, and the hard, relentless hours. We are all being asked to do things that we have never done before, and to make decisions that were once unimaginable. Run a code as your goggles fog up and you can’t decipher the vital signals on the patient’s monitor. Try to predict which Covid-19 patient will crash if you send them home, and which won’t. Talk to palliative care. Talk to family members. Have long discussions about likely outcomes. Listen as family members sob. They aren’t physically present to say goodbye when they ask us to withdraw care from a patient; we FaceTime so they can say goodbye. We stop the drips. Turn off the ventilator. And wait. Your hands are upon theirs. You think of their family at home, and you think of your own. Someone starts saying a prayer. You can’t help but cry. You stand by. You wait. Time of death: 7:19pm

We have EasyJet crew signed up to man the Nightingale.

RedToothBrush · 05/04/2020 13:43

And we have threads complaining that the news isn't positive enough and the media are shit because of it.

Forgetting of course that journalists job isn't supposed to make us feel fuzzy in side. It's supposed to hold power to account to stop the government neglecting its duty and abusing its power which has life and death consequences to the public they are supposed to serve.

We need stories about how bad it is elsewhere and how we are failing NHS workers and care workers and those who are particularly at risk for whatever reason whether it be economically or for health.

I am sick to my bones of people not taking it seriously, making excuses, believing they are an exception to the rules, bitching about the news being too miserable (when the remote control has buttons) and just generally not wishing to acknowledge the reality of the situation which so many don't have the luxury of avoiding. Its beyond tiresome at this point.

I don't want to police other people on social media. Its not my job to act as the neighbourhood snitch. I think that's actively dangerous in its own way. It is, however, my business though as the consequences will be felt in one way or another.

I am definitely saving up a mental note of people who I will cross the road to avoid when this is done. People don't realise just how much it will drive a wedge between people in the long run when the fall out hits. The community stuff now will be forgotten more quickly than it should be when reality bites.

RedToothBrush · 05/04/2020 13:47

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/megabus-suspends-services-coronavirus-stagecoach-a4405826.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1586077917
Stagecoach to suspend all Megabus services in England and Wales by Sunday amid coronavirus lockdown

Why on earth was it still running?

How many people with essential key worker jobs go to work by megabus? It's not like it's a commuter service.