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MIL refusing to distance herself, any ideas seriously welcome.

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BatShite · 03/04/2020 16:22

I know this will seem trivial in comparison to others issues at the moment, but this is causing a huge rift in my family, and is actively starting to make me hate my mother in law. Shes always been quite selfish, I won't go into all of that but its not been too much of a surprise the way shes going on because of this, just didn't expect it to be this bad. I have made a couple of posts in other threads about this, but am now at wits end and have no idea what I can do to stop this.

MIL is over 70. She also has a fair few serious medical problems which put her at very very high risk of complications if she catches this virus. However, ever since lockdown, she has been pushing it and pushing it and trying to convince others to just ignore the rules. I am at my wits end now and despite not really being an angry person, I am dangerously close to snapping, which I do not want to do for obvious reasons!

So we just had to, again, make MIL get back into the taxi she got, and go home. This is now the third time in a week she has tried to..sneak up here. First time she just said she was coming, ignored us saying no and turned up, stroled into the house and started crying when we told her to leave. Second time, luckily, the taxi she booked..the driver is family and rang us in advance, so she was basically turned away before getting in, resulting in wailing fits apparently, and again today, kidds were getting air in the garden and DD came flying in teeling us grandma is here and has brought loads of sweets! Yet again, a massive scene was made, with her crying and saying we are just being horrible and why don't we want to see her, etc etc.

She seems to have convinced herself that everyone is just 'using' this as a reason to avoid her. This includes us, neigbbours, and even an accusation that the GP surgery is trying to keep her away for reasons unknown Hmm Shes always seemed a touch narcisistic but this is..beyond a joke now. She is still visiting the shop multiple times a day, for different newspapers, biscuits, etc. When we offered to get her shopping and that weeks back to help her distance, she took that as us trying to 'stop her going out when she likes going out'. We have had a fair few complaints from neighbours, of her knocking on their doors and making scenes when they say no she cannot come in for a cuppa, and she has even started visiting town..for reasons unknown as before this virus, she never ever went t town and when we asked her once if she wanted to come to the cinema with us, she almost had a breakdown saying she couldnt be around that many people (anxiety issues have gone on for years)

I really do not know what to do, neither does DH, and we seem to have tried this from every angle possible but she is determined to put herself and others at risk. In the interest of keeping this thread shorter, I will try and go through approaches we have tried but not go into massive detail, as I swear I could write a novel at this stage..

  • You are high risk in multiple ways, its much better for you to stay in for your own good. Variations of this have included also going into detail about how she would use up a lot of medical staff/supplies etc if she did get it bad. We had to resort to that when she decided that she 'would rather die than not see people for a few weeks'. When she got into that mindset, she became more stubborn, however she has not yet tried to make out she would not call for help if she became ill (though we are expecting that soon..as another excuse). Pointed out that because of people refusing to disnace, hospitals will be overwhelmed and other peple will die, not just those who are ill with the virus, and possibly unnecessarily too as if everyone did what they were meat to, there wouldn't be so much of an issue. Apparently its a myth that the NHS is on its knees Hmm and there are more than enough staff, and everytime she goes to hospital all she sees are nueses and such sitting around drinking tea and talking. This one has maybe enraged me more than any others..
  • DD has asthma, as does DH. We have tried from the angle that she might make them ill, given shes out and about all the time. She took this massively personally, and devcided that we were saying she was dirty and diseased and of course she wouldn't come up if she was having symptoms. Pointing out that many do not get symptoms til later/at all went in one ear and out of the other, apparently she doesn't believe that as if its as dangerous as 'we are meant to believe' then everyone who had it would be deathly ill. No amount of attempting to explain this is clearly not the case..has got through. She has also decided that only those who have 'serious' asthma are at risk anyway, meaning those who are regularly hospitalised rather than those who 'just' have a few inhalers they have to take sometimes.
  • Its not forever, its short term (hopefuly) and massively needed for multiple reasons. But being alone for long periods of time makes her down she says. She will end up killing herself. This one enraged me, possibly more than it should. I know she doesn't like being alone, not many people do, but threatening suicide as we are trying to keep our family (and her..) safe and trying not to increase pressure on the NHS is just vile. This is not the first time she has used suicide in this way, its depressingly common when she has been told no for something. I highly doubt she would ever do it. But even if she did, we cannot just allow her to do what she what she likes as she threatens this. I mean, yeah we would probablly feel guilty if she did go down this route, but..what can you do really. My main problem with this one also has been, its clearly malicious and not something shes saying out of desperation, and she said it infront of our 7 year old..whch then got herself all upset and we had a very difficult conversation about suicide, with a child. This part has actually made me consider cutting off ALL contact, forever. Its just horrible.
  • Once a vaccine is made, or some plan is formed to fight this..everything will go back to normal. But no, Everyone is just trying to avoid her randomly. No reason why, just the whole world decided at the same point that they wanted nothing to dfo with her. Newspapers are clearly playing alng too and there is no crisis, just everyone has became selfish and no longer wants the burden of older/ill people Hmm This is not any genuine paranoia, or certainly does not sem that way, its just more being self centred. She actually looked me in the eye while DH was putting her bags back in the taxi and told me that she has been trying to get a GP appointment for 2 weeks now and even they are ignoring her, so even they don't want to see her. She wants an appointment just to 'talk' apparently. I get that that can help some, but in the middle of this crisis, health workers cannot be allowing appointments for no medical reason! Shes been offered one for in 5 weeks apparently, bt this is no good as she wants to talk now.

No amount of talking on the phone is helping. We have been in contact with her a few times a day to try and stop her feeling lonely. But this is not good enough. We are just being horrible. Nehgbours are just being horrible. Doctors are also. Shopkeeper is starting to be awkward and only allowing 2 people in shop at same time, probably to try and discourage people from going to the shop so they can just close and get time off as they are lazy and want paid for nothing. Its just..insane.

Only practical thing we have managed to get done so far, has been to talk a couple of local taxi companies round to not letting her book taxis from her home to ours. Which again, seems harsh and wrong but we cannot have her keep turning up! Also that seems to have made her more determined, as suddenly taxi drivers were added to her list of people who are just trying to ignore her.when she was cntinually told there was nothing available. Obviously this does nothing really though as there are so many companies about and no way would all of them agree to just put her off when she tries either..we were lucky that those 2 did, and its only as we are so friendly with the owner of one and have used them for years, and DHs uncle is part owner of the other. One f the other companies here als has stopped taking house to house bookings fullstop (apparently are only doing runs to hospitals and such), so they wouldn't bring her to start with..starting to wish all the companies took that approach really.

Does anyone have any suggestions that they can think of that might help?! I think we have probably tried all by this stage and nothings changing, and maybe I don't expect advice but just want to get this rant out or something but..I have never ever felt this stressed in my life and it really is starting to make me dislike her intensely. I have always found her self centred and manipulative mind, but it was kind of just an element of her personality that I could try to ignore, there were good parts of her too. But recently, the good seems to be disappearing and just being replaced with pure selfishness. DH doesn't know what to do either, he was actually crying last night while we were trying to figure a way to sort this, as he feels conflicted..as on the one hand shes his mother, on the other shes clearly being a massive massive cunt. He said he is considering cutting contact totally when this is over, due to her behaviour. Not sure if this would happen, though I am tempted too, as once the crisis is gone, the good will start showing again too I suspect, but for now, we want nothing at all to do with her. Which feels wrong. Its always been a bit of a tightrope walk keeping her happy, or happy enough not to cause issues. Now, it seems the only way she will stop behaving in this way is if we just let her walk all over us and put the whole family at risk, because she won't spend a few weeks in her house.

Any suggestions welcome, literally anything at all. Also prepared to be told we are in the wrong with how we are attempting to deal, so don't hold back (not that MN ever does Grin )

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loutypips · 03/04/2020 19:53

Dementia was the first thing that crossed my mind, and clearly others too. Vascular dementia can cause selfishness, has this come on suddenly?

Gutterton · 03/04/2020 20:01

OP has said it is consistent with her personality over the longer term - selfish, narcissistic, crying and making a scene when told “No.”

Sounds like she has been pandered to and accommodated all her life - and this is just shining a light on her selfish behaviours.

V manipulative to being the DC big bag of sweets on her second visit.

She might well be developing dementia as well - but she might not.

She will likely be reported by her neighbors for being a pest and a given a earring or a vulnerable person report.

Redwinestillfine · 03/04/2020 21:20

Can you ask social services to do an assessment see if she needs help? If it's not dementia related then maybe ask a friendly Bobby to have a word?

pigoons · 03/04/2020 21:40

I would ring her Gp and say that you want to share concerns you have about her behaviour so that they can monitor it. GPs won't share information about other people but they will listen and make a note of anything like this

PotholeParadise · 03/04/2020 21:58

How long has she been like this? Ask your DH to cast his mind back through his childhood and think very hard about whether she has become more irrational.

I would have said Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder, but if it's a recent change, then think about dementia.

TheSparklyPussycat · 03/04/2020 22:23

Though I've often seen it on MN, you can't just get someone sectioned. A nearest rekative can ask for her to be assesd I think. AIUI it only takes one assessor at the moment to make an assessment, but that does not mean it's easier to be sectioned.

Community Pyschiatric Nurses are working from home, and using the phone to ring their clients. Goodness knows what it's like in the psychiatric hospitals.

Bubu222 · 03/04/2020 22:33

She’s an adult, it’s her life, and her decision. Do what you have to do to protect your family and that’s it.

ThusSpoke · 03/04/2020 23:21

She sounds like the mother of a good friend of mine. Her mother had been threatening suicide since my friend was a child.

My friend eventually started calling 999 each and every time she did this. The threats stopped, but the manipulation continued.

Needless to say, my friend does not have a good relationship with her mother. She is an only child and sees her mother as nothing but a burden.

Since the lockdown, her crazy behaviour has ramped up again. Friend is trying her best to just ignore her and pay her no attention. Perhaps you and your husband should do the same.

BatShite · 05/04/2020 14:04

Sorry, became extremely busy after posting this..reading replies now, thanks for the interest and advice..

Shes turned up once more, yesterday at 9am, shouting match on our doorstep about how we are simply 'using the crisis' to avoid seeing her. I mean, I have no idea why she thinks we would even do that, for the past few years we have allowed her here more than we would like, as we realise shes lonely, she stays at ours once or twice a week, and visits a few times too..much more than is practical for us, have had to cancel plans as she turns up..but have NEVER tried to stop her coming at all. Maybe thats the problem, we have allowed too much free reign over our lives so she now expects it constantly..my mother says thats the problem. We have been too 'soft' and gave her her own way even when it negatively affects us, so now she wont listen.

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BatShite · 05/04/2020 14:07

Has she always been this bad or is this a new thing?

She has always been manipulative when told no for stuff. Never been this bad, but theres been no reason for her to be this bad until now really. Suicide has been threatened before, when we said we could not afford to take her on holiday with us, but if she wanted to come she was more than welcome to pay for it herself. Apparently that was selfish and not thinking of how it would affect her and 'dont be surprised if I have overdosed when you get back' Hmm She didn't. Its simply threats that we don't really take seriously anymore, but when shes saying it infront of young kids, it becomes a huge issue.

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BatShite · 05/04/2020 14:12

If she has a key, can DH change the lock? Or can he add a bolt so she can't get in?

She had a key. Lock got changed yesterday, which will no doubt cause issues next time she turns up as now we are evil as giving her a key then changing locks..etc etc. I guess dementia could be a possibility, though she doesn't seem to have changed at all recently. She sees a mental health specialist already though so surely they would have picked up on something? She sees her for anxiety. Will bear this in mind and basically, continue stonewalling. It is starting to make me feel awful though, being told you are horrible many times per day starts to make you feel that way it seems. Almost making me doubt myself, though I know am doing the right thing.

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ThusSpoke · 05/04/2020 14:27

she stays at ours once or twice a week, and visits a few times too..much more than is practical for us, have had to cancel plans as she turns up..but have NEVER tried to stop her coming at all

Yeah, that needs to stop. But you know that.

qazxc · 05/04/2020 14:29

You are not horrible, in fact you are more patient than I would be.
Maybe limit contact further ( one phone call a day) to save you from the emotional battering.
Is there anyone she will listen to ( police, clergy, GP) that could have a strong word with her about the new rules?

ThusSpoke · 05/04/2020 14:49

but when shes saying it infront of young kids, it becomes a huge issue

I agree. Anyone who threatens suicide as a form of manipulation in front of my children would be finished with me.

PanamaPattie · 05/04/2020 14:56

Keep your doors locked and keep ignoring her. You can’t reason with the unreasonable. Don’t even try.

Theyweretheworstoftimes · 05/04/2020 14:57

Pop this in the window?

MIL refusing to distance herself, any ideas seriously welcome.
just5morepeas · 05/04/2020 15:05

I'd stop talking to her on the phone until she stopped coming round. She sounds like a manipulative narcissist and you probably won't be able to change her.

Anyone using suicide as a threat in front of my children would never be seeing them again.

forrestgreen · 05/04/2020 15:07

Lock front door and side gate. You've done everything else you can. Hopefully someone will report her for unnecessary trips. That might sink in.

But I'd start to think about what's acceptable going forward, so she recognises your boundaries.

Put a note on the front door, we are isolating, absolutely no guests, no exceptions Mum.

forrestgreen · 05/04/2020 15:09

Agree with shut down any suicide talk, ask her if she's serious and that you'll ring the police to do a welfare check. And tell her if she brings it up in front of the children again, she won't see them again as it's manipulative and cruel.

Aquamarine1029 · 05/04/2020 15:15

I would refuse to communicate with her. Your husband can deal with his mother.

Feedingthebirds1 · 05/04/2020 15:34

A lot of selfish people have been used to getting their own way for a long time. Their families give in to them to (misguidedly) keep the peace. Now those families (and maybe neighbours) are behaving differently for a very good reason, so people like MIL are ramping it up believing that eventually they'll get what they want if they scream and sob loudly enough. So there isn't anything you can do that you aren't doing already. She won't take any notice because that doesn't suit her, not because you're doing anything wrong, or because there's something you should have done that you haven't thought of.

OP although you didn't give in over things like the holiday, it does sound like you've done a lot to avoid upsetting her. Keep being as firm as you are, and accept that whatever she does is not your fault. She may threaten suicide, but people like that rarely do it. It's just one of their tactics to get you to knuckle under. The next thing will be she's ringing you to say she's had a heart attack and so you have to go over there Right Now. Tell her you'll dial 999 and get an ambulance to her.

But don't feel guilty for any of this. You need to keep your family safe., you're doing the right thing.

aWeaponCalledtheWord · 05/04/2020 15:36

BPD here. this sounds nothing like my life or behaviours, nor those of people i know with BPD.

however, my mother is a narcissistic sociopath and would probably be your MIL’s best friend; apart from her not having any friends. she uses people as pawns and has no interest in them other than their use to her.

lock your doors, cut contact and make this the start of a new chapter without her. wishing you well and sending strength...

AnotherEmma · 05/04/2020 15:39

Your mother is right.
Boundaries, boundaries, boundaries.
You and your partner might find the Susan forward books helpful: toxic parents and toxic in-laws.
There's also the stately homes thread.

Davespecifico · 05/04/2020 15:43

You need intervention from police/some form of authority/ form of support - I don’t know who.

Could you ring the non emergency local police line briefly outline the most serious and concerning things she’s doing and ask for help.
As well as her being at risk, she’s putting you at risk because you don’t know where she’s been.

BatShite · 05/04/2020 15:52

OK from reading this thread, I think we are going to just keep making her go back home, or totally ignoring her when she turns up might be an option, like literally, go home but then not even looking at her and going about our day in the house with her locked outside? That sounds cruel but..might work.

When/if things go back to normal, contact is definitely getting cut too. I do think my mother has a point that we have made a rod for our own backs, and also, I don't particularly want to see her anymore than absolutely necessary. I wouldn't want her to stop seeing the kids but..theres no reason for multiple visits a week, that much is definitely clear now.

Thanks all..I think having someone to vent to helped too tbh.

I will attempt to speak to her GP next week too, though I cannot see him contacting her. One of DHs close friends is a policeman actually, have floated he idea of getting him to go talk to her and tell her about the fines and such, though we have already mentioned that but it might sink in a bit more if it comes from someone more official..

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