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MIL refusing to distance herself, any ideas seriously welcome.

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BatShite · 03/04/2020 16:22

I know this will seem trivial in comparison to others issues at the moment, but this is causing a huge rift in my family, and is actively starting to make me hate my mother in law. Shes always been quite selfish, I won't go into all of that but its not been too much of a surprise the way shes going on because of this, just didn't expect it to be this bad. I have made a couple of posts in other threads about this, but am now at wits end and have no idea what I can do to stop this.

MIL is over 70. She also has a fair few serious medical problems which put her at very very high risk of complications if she catches this virus. However, ever since lockdown, she has been pushing it and pushing it and trying to convince others to just ignore the rules. I am at my wits end now and despite not really being an angry person, I am dangerously close to snapping, which I do not want to do for obvious reasons!

So we just had to, again, make MIL get back into the taxi she got, and go home. This is now the third time in a week she has tried to..sneak up here. First time she just said she was coming, ignored us saying no and turned up, stroled into the house and started crying when we told her to leave. Second time, luckily, the taxi she booked..the driver is family and rang us in advance, so she was basically turned away before getting in, resulting in wailing fits apparently, and again today, kidds were getting air in the garden and DD came flying in teeling us grandma is here and has brought loads of sweets! Yet again, a massive scene was made, with her crying and saying we are just being horrible and why don't we want to see her, etc etc.

She seems to have convinced herself that everyone is just 'using' this as a reason to avoid her. This includes us, neigbbours, and even an accusation that the GP surgery is trying to keep her away for reasons unknown Hmm Shes always seemed a touch narcisistic but this is..beyond a joke now. She is still visiting the shop multiple times a day, for different newspapers, biscuits, etc. When we offered to get her shopping and that weeks back to help her distance, she took that as us trying to 'stop her going out when she likes going out'. We have had a fair few complaints from neighbours, of her knocking on their doors and making scenes when they say no she cannot come in for a cuppa, and she has even started visiting town..for reasons unknown as before this virus, she never ever went t town and when we asked her once if she wanted to come to the cinema with us, she almost had a breakdown saying she couldnt be around that many people (anxiety issues have gone on for years)

I really do not know what to do, neither does DH, and we seem to have tried this from every angle possible but she is determined to put herself and others at risk. In the interest of keeping this thread shorter, I will try and go through approaches we have tried but not go into massive detail, as I swear I could write a novel at this stage..

  • You are high risk in multiple ways, its much better for you to stay in for your own good. Variations of this have included also going into detail about how she would use up a lot of medical staff/supplies etc if she did get it bad. We had to resort to that when she decided that she 'would rather die than not see people for a few weeks'. When she got into that mindset, she became more stubborn, however she has not yet tried to make out she would not call for help if she became ill (though we are expecting that soon..as another excuse). Pointed out that because of people refusing to disnace, hospitals will be overwhelmed and other peple will die, not just those who are ill with the virus, and possibly unnecessarily too as if everyone did what they were meat to, there wouldn't be so much of an issue. Apparently its a myth that the NHS is on its knees Hmm and there are more than enough staff, and everytime she goes to hospital all she sees are nueses and such sitting around drinking tea and talking. This one has maybe enraged me more than any others..
  • DD has asthma, as does DH. We have tried from the angle that she might make them ill, given shes out and about all the time. She took this massively personally, and devcided that we were saying she was dirty and diseased and of course she wouldn't come up if she was having symptoms. Pointing out that many do not get symptoms til later/at all went in one ear and out of the other, apparently she doesn't believe that as if its as dangerous as 'we are meant to believe' then everyone who had it would be deathly ill. No amount of attempting to explain this is clearly not the case..has got through. She has also decided that only those who have 'serious' asthma are at risk anyway, meaning those who are regularly hospitalised rather than those who 'just' have a few inhalers they have to take sometimes.
  • Its not forever, its short term (hopefuly) and massively needed for multiple reasons. But being alone for long periods of time makes her down she says. She will end up killing herself. This one enraged me, possibly more than it should. I know she doesn't like being alone, not many people do, but threatening suicide as we are trying to keep our family (and her..) safe and trying not to increase pressure on the NHS is just vile. This is not the first time she has used suicide in this way, its depressingly common when she has been told no for something. I highly doubt she would ever do it. But even if she did, we cannot just allow her to do what she what she likes as she threatens this. I mean, yeah we would probablly feel guilty if she did go down this route, but..what can you do really. My main problem with this one also has been, its clearly malicious and not something shes saying out of desperation, and she said it infront of our 7 year old..whch then got herself all upset and we had a very difficult conversation about suicide, with a child. This part has actually made me consider cutting off ALL contact, forever. Its just horrible.
  • Once a vaccine is made, or some plan is formed to fight this..everything will go back to normal. But no, Everyone is just trying to avoid her randomly. No reason why, just the whole world decided at the same point that they wanted nothing to dfo with her. Newspapers are clearly playing alng too and there is no crisis, just everyone has became selfish and no longer wants the burden of older/ill people Hmm This is not any genuine paranoia, or certainly does not sem that way, its just more being self centred. She actually looked me in the eye while DH was putting her bags back in the taxi and told me that she has been trying to get a GP appointment for 2 weeks now and even they are ignoring her, so even they don't want to see her. She wants an appointment just to 'talk' apparently. I get that that can help some, but in the middle of this crisis, health workers cannot be allowing appointments for no medical reason! Shes been offered one for in 5 weeks apparently, bt this is no good as she wants to talk now.

No amount of talking on the phone is helping. We have been in contact with her a few times a day to try and stop her feeling lonely. But this is not good enough. We are just being horrible. Nehgbours are just being horrible. Doctors are also. Shopkeeper is starting to be awkward and only allowing 2 people in shop at same time, probably to try and discourage people from going to the shop so they can just close and get time off as they are lazy and want paid for nothing. Its just..insane.

Only practical thing we have managed to get done so far, has been to talk a couple of local taxi companies round to not letting her book taxis from her home to ours. Which again, seems harsh and wrong but we cannot have her keep turning up! Also that seems to have made her more determined, as suddenly taxi drivers were added to her list of people who are just trying to ignore her.when she was cntinually told there was nothing available. Obviously this does nothing really though as there are so many companies about and no way would all of them agree to just put her off when she tries either..we were lucky that those 2 did, and its only as we are so friendly with the owner of one and have used them for years, and DHs uncle is part owner of the other. One f the other companies here als has stopped taking house to house bookings fullstop (apparently are only doing runs to hospitals and such), so they wouldn't bring her to start with..starting to wish all the companies took that approach really.

Does anyone have any suggestions that they can think of that might help?! I think we have probably tried all by this stage and nothings changing, and maybe I don't expect advice but just want to get this rant out or something but..I have never ever felt this stressed in my life and it really is starting to make me dislike her intensely. I have always found her self centred and manipulative mind, but it was kind of just an element of her personality that I could try to ignore, there were good parts of her too. But recently, the good seems to be disappearing and just being replaced with pure selfishness. DH doesn't know what to do either, he was actually crying last night while we were trying to figure a way to sort this, as he feels conflicted..as on the one hand shes his mother, on the other shes clearly being a massive massive cunt. He said he is considering cutting contact totally when this is over, due to her behaviour. Not sure if this would happen, though I am tempted too, as once the crisis is gone, the good will start showing again too I suspect, but for now, we want nothing at all to do with her. Which feels wrong. Its always been a bit of a tightrope walk keeping her happy, or happy enough not to cause issues. Now, it seems the only way she will stop behaving in this way is if we just let her walk all over us and put the whole family at risk, because she won't spend a few weeks in her house.

Any suggestions welcome, literally anything at all. Also prepared to be told we are in the wrong with how we are attempting to deal, so don't hold back (not that MN ever does Grin )

OP posts:
LilacTree1 · 03/04/2020 17:25

Agree, you can only lock the door.

I’d also don’t worry what happens when this is over.

DeRigueurMortis · 03/04/2020 17:41

As pp’s have said I’m not sure there is anything you can do.

She’s an adult (even if she’s not behaving like one) and can make her own (poor) choices.

The only additional tactic I can suggest is to explain if she’s caught out and about for no good reason the Police could fine her. She’s also risking being reported to the police by neighbours if she’s harassing them with a view to them breaking lockdown simply for a cup of tea and a chat.

Beyond that all you can do is lock the door and keep saying no, however many times she turns up/rants over the phone.

As for the future I wouldn’t worry about that for now. Being blunt if she keeps up with her behaviour, and with underlying health issues she’s doing her best to risk not having one Sad.

HeyMac · 03/04/2020 17:49

She sounds like a relative of mine in the early stages of dementia Sad

Very paranoid and made some really odd decisions which for the first year or so just seemed bizarre.

Randomword6 · 03/04/2020 17:50

Have you thought that she is having mental health problems? It sounds like it to me. It's hard to face this possibility but it might help you not to take it personally. You are doing everything you could, but it is taking a terrible toll on both of you. I don't know how you would go about getting help at the moment, but Old age charities and MIND have advi e online and helplines.

Rocketmam · 03/04/2020 17:53

They've made it much easier to section people you know.

Seems to me like she is incapable of keeping herself or others safe.

Just saying...

LilacTree1 · 03/04/2020 17:53

“ This is not the first time she has used suicide in this way, its depressingly common when she has been told no for something”

It’s difficult to think dementia when you look at this bit.

Rocketmam · 03/04/2020 17:55

Especially if she is making threats of suicide.

Call her, tell her if she makes those threats again, or tries to visit again, you will have her sectioned. Explain to her that it is much easier to do now.

She should pack it in. If she doesn't then she probably does actually need to be looked at by soneone.

PersonaNonGarter · 03/04/2020 17:57

You are giving her far far too much attention, sorry.

You must stop talking to her. Only your DH should speak to her and be a broken record ‘it’s not you mum, it’s the rules for everyone’ and again ‘it’s not you mum, it’s the rules for everyone’ and again ‘it’s not you mum, it’s the rules for everyone’ like a broken record.

justasking111 · 03/04/2020 17:58

I was thinking dementia. Can you phone her gp and get some advice

3luckystars · 03/04/2020 17:59

My mother is worse than this. My father has cancer and she still wont stay in. Neither will he.
We have just kept away and locked our doors. Some of the things she has said over the last few weeks are absolutely insane. There is NOTHING we can do. Sorry you are going through this. The great news is that you dont have to be around her. Good luck.

SentimentalKiller · 03/04/2020 18:03

I was waiting for the does she have dementia post
8 posts in. Could do better
She sounds like her personality has always been tricky. Perhaps the police would have a word or, even better, throw her into a cell for the night😅
Does she read messages. Tell her your doors will be locked and you won't answer. You would like to keep in touch but won't if she carries on being so difficult

PineappleDanish · 03/04/2020 18:11

You cannot control what she does. You can only control what you, your DH and your kids do.

She wants to wander all over town and go out to mulitple shops - let her. You can't physically stop her. But you have the choice over whether or not to let her into your home.

jjesquire · 03/04/2020 18:25

“ This is not the first time she has used suicide in this way, its depressingly common when she has been told no for something”

It’s difficult to think dementia when you look at this bit"

My FIL is in a home with advanced dementia and regularly threatens to kill him self if he is asked to do something he doesn't want to do like get out of bed/get dressed so the simplest of tasks. However saying that he was an absolute gem of a man when he was healthy and from what you've said your MIL has a history of being selfish and manipulative so maybe doesn't apply but something to consider.

Buttybach · 03/04/2020 18:35

This sounds very similar to my MIL who has suffered with Bipolar for 45 years. It too quite some time for her to accept all of this,

ifonly4 · 03/04/2020 18:35

Don't give way and let her in. I know someone who has just list their life to this awful virus, older but no health implications, he didn't go out a lot.

Quickquestion2020 · 03/04/2020 18:42

I'd call her gp for advice and maybe if they're not too busy they could give her a ring and bollock her for it.
If that doesn't work I'd tell her I've informed the 999 service/hospital of her actions so she doesn't get help if she gets ill because someone who was following the rules deserves it more. But then I am a heartless bitch and hate rule breakers. Does she actually know what will happen if she gets it or does she think she'll spend a few days watching tv on a nice little ward with food being served to her in bed?

rvby · 03/04/2020 18:52

A lot of people have very limited coping skills that they draw on to get through everyday life. For example, they might drink, or have one friend who does everything for them, or get a buzz off of their family members making them feel important. etc. etc.

When a huge traumatic change happens, like this coronavirus things, the wheels can completely fall off those people and they are utterly adrift.

They'll then start using whatever shit coping skills they had, sometimes in very dysfunctional ways, to get their needs met. Often this creates a cycle where the situation just gets worse and worse, they get more and more distressed, cope less and less, etc. etc. and their behaviour can get completely out of control.

It's very sad.

Your MIL is likely one of these people. Sounds like she relied on interpersonal manipulation in order to get through the day, at the best of times. Now she isn't able to be in the presence of other people, reading their body language, having them make her feel special, etc. etc. so she can't cope. So... she seeks out the presence of other people. In the vain hope that she will cope better. Like a drug addict seeking out a drug that has suddenly been cut off.

At present I don't see what you can do except go the "extinction" route, as if you were doing sleep training with a baby who will not calm down. That means lock your door and stay indoors until she stops coming around. When she turns up, ignore her until she leaves. Call the police if you must.

Phone her once a day at a set time, let her rant her face off, have a single boring response "I know, it's terribly hard, them's the rules for all of us though" and do not be drawn into ANY discussion beyond that. Until she stops being so reactive.

She will either develop some way of coping, or she won't. Not really much you can do at present beyond that, I don't think.

pocketem · 03/04/2020 18:57

She seems like a horrible person, OP. My sympathies. Sadly her attitudes are not uncommon amongst her peer group that we are all trying our best to protect, but she is an adult and can make her own decisions. I'd change the door locks if she has a key, and leave her to it. She can put herself at risk if she wants but should be be putting your DD at risk

Gutterton · 03/04/2020 19:10

Classic Narc is my reading.

Arrogant. Entitled. Deluded.

The suicide threats are disgusting and grandiose. And totally abusive and distressing to your 7 year old DD.

Don’t let her near your DCs just for this reason alone - never mind the infection.

She was the same old difficult “massive, massive cunt” she always was. This situation just amplifies it.

MrsWolf2 · 03/04/2020 19:19

You said you don’t want to snap at her, which I do get why, but why not if nothing else has worked, maybe you absolutely losing it with her might shock her enough to get through to her a little.

Mlou32 · 03/04/2020 19:27

This behaviour has a definite flavour of borderline personality disorder.

Send one firm, final text. Tell her that you won't be replying to texts. You are happy to talk on the phone twice a week, any nonsense hysterics will result in the phone being hung up and not answered again that day. Not to come near the house or you'll call 111; in fact perhaps the police is what she needs. Lock your doors, don't answer the phone, block her if needs be.

Be firm.

LargeGinOnTap · 03/04/2020 19:37

I'm another one who read the first part of your post op and immediately thought dementia. Even in the early day of my dgm having the disease this sort of situation would have been incomprehensible to her

justasking111 · 03/04/2020 19:39

My granny a nurse in London during the war said people who were border line ill when things got bad cracked completely. Perhaps that is what is happening

Teaandbiscuitsallday · 03/04/2020 19:40

She's gonna die. It will be her own fault.

Gutterton · 03/04/2020 19:51

I can’t get past the bit where she frequently threatens suicide for attention and then did this to your little 7 year old DD causing her to be upset.

This is really v deliberately abusive and traumatic for your DD. Our children are already highly anxious and already exposed to the death and horror of this virus.

its clearly malicious and not something shes saying out of desperation, and she said it infront of our 7 year old..whch then got herself all upset and we had a very difficult conversation about suicide, with a child.