Is anyone else angry and embarrassed right now ?

[Sapphiresunrise]

For the developed and resourced country that we are, we are potentially going to be overtaking Italy and Spain by the looks of things.
Australia and other nations have death rates in double figures. They were smart to close borders and even close regions. Canada the same. Denmark, etc. The list goes on. South Korea have the situation under control.
We were warned about this. I feel like majority of those deaths could have been avoided.

Thank you, appreciated. Sorry, I didn't see your latest post.

I believe if we had taken control much earlier we could have avoided such a drastic disruption . Simply cancelling all large gatherings beginning of feb and closing the borders could have allowed a slower gradual progression of the virus without importing vectors and creating opportunities for spread.

Lockdown 3 weeks earlier may have meant by the end of this month we could be progressing to a semblance or normality under the condition that as a nation we had to work together, without a campaign of dismissing the severity as we saw initially. Instead the supermarkets allowed chaos, instead we sat back and did nothing until it was too late. The economic effects would have been bad but nowhere near as devastating as they will be now.

We can all have an opinion on what should have or could have been done, but for the majority it is just an opinion and not based on expert knowledge

Anyone with an IQ above that of a carrot knew that Crufts/Cheltenham/Madrid match was a fucking stupid idea.

@mochajoes
"So we should be more like China?"
In terms of handling a pandemic? Mortality rate of 2/million vs 55/million and rocketing by the day? Do you think we should not be more like China???

Clavinova

We should’be adopted the South Korean approach from the get go. Lots of testing, meticulous contact tracing, and isolation of all cases and contacts.

Seems unlikely;

"South Korea is also enforcing a law that grants the government wide authority to access data: CCTV footage, GPS tracking data from phones and cars, credit card transactions, immigration entry information, and other personal details of people confirmed to have an infectious disease."

"The authorities can then make some of this public, so anyone who may have been exposed can get themselves - or their friends and family members-tested."

"People found positive are placed in self-quarantine and monitored remotely through an app or checked regularly in telephone calls until a hospital bed becomes available.When this occurs, an ambulance picks the person up and takes them to a hospital with air-sealed isolation rooms."

"People found positive are placed in self-quarantine and monitored remotely through an app or checked regularly in telephone calls until a hospital bed becomes available.When this occurs, an ambulance picks the person up and takes them to a hospital with air-sealed isolation rooms."

Matt Hancock has been in negotiation with a company called Carbyne 911 which has similar tracking and monitoring abilities as the Chinese, Korean and Saudi citizen monitoring apps. He was doing this before this pandemic and the companies tracking facilities are being trialed by U.K. police. They have recruited a senior former Met officer as a consultant. Most worryingly, Jeffrey Epstein was the major investor and co founder of Carbyne when it was named Reporty Home Security. The app allows the company access to your location data, nhs records and camera feed of your device/phone/laptop/car or it can jump to any device near yours ie car computer/ fire alarm/ ring doorbell etc.

THIS ^^ Rocket

We have a much larger population than many of the countries you mention. Sweden still have bars and restaurants open, Australia still have shops open, yes jewellers etc

@Cam77 accept Japan and Singapore are worried about a rise in cases and it is unclear at this stage whether it has worked or whether it has just delayed it

South Korea and China have also reported deaths today.

In time we will be able to look back and say the best way of handling it but at the moment we just dont know

Look. Truthfully none of us truthfully know what is the best course of action.

Please please hang up your war weapons.

Let our medical experts decide and support them.

We will get through this. But please lets try to unite and stay calm

They're not in power. Stop deflecting.

It's the TORIES who cut 17,000 beds in the last 10 years. Labour wouldn't have needed to promise ANYTHING - all they'd needed to have done is not make the cuts. Simples, yeah?

^^ This

I'm angry. I'm also angry at the fucking idiots that 2 weeks ago despite being asked not to still rammed there pretty arses into shops and supermarkets and any open public space they could.
The spike of infections caught that weekend are only just starting to be felt.
Yes the government have fucked up but come on , alot of he British people just didn't want to know 2 weeks ago. There's still alot now still grappling with social distancing. So many people either blatantly doing what the fuck they like and then the special group, that think they can bend the rules a bit to suit thier personal needs a bit better because God forbid they should just shut their front door, stsy home and do what they've been told.

The people that suddenly got scared this week when the sad news of the 13yo dieing. Why?? Did 13yo Chinese and Italian kids not matter as much?? Ehy did it take British child dieing fir people to finally understand. Too many smart alecs thinking fuck knows what until that point.
Then there are the moaners. Saying their human rights have been breached. Moaning because they've been asked to stay home with a list of reasons why them being asked is worst for them than anyone else blah blah blah.
Moan moan moan.
I'm more embarrassed at this element of the British people than our government tbh.

I’m sure many people would have taken the advice to self isolate in return from Italy if the government had advised this. You are never going to get 100% compliance. Doesn’t mean you don’t try.

For example , before lockdown down you were to self isolate if you had symptoms,most people did. Schools were sending pupils home with symptoms.

All those teachers and kids coming back from Italy would have complied with government advice.

The odd lone traveller may not have. But it would have had an impact. Schools tend to take government advice seriously.

Think I am gonna have to come off Mumsnet. You are all so determined the tories are to blame for fucking it up. So bloody doom and gloom. It’s a pandemic. Everyone is gonna get it sooner or later. I’ve got it. Every country will do it slightly differently. We don’t know yet who got it right. Sweden isn’t doing any social distancing at all. They are supposed to be an amazing forward thinking country, But even if we come out it it ok you will still blame the tories whatever. It’s boring.

China, Korea, Singapore, Japan believed that the "right time" for restrictions was right at the beginning, to, er, stop people dying. And who'd have guess it actually worked pretty well.

Err... it is now pretty well documented that China covered the virus up, and threatened to imprison whistleblowers, for the first month.

Not sure that would help much...

Lockdown 3 weeks earlier may have meant by the end of this month we could be progressing to a semblance or normality under the condition that as a nation we had to work together, without a campaign of dismissing the severity as we saw initially

Now your saying it may have made a difference & to take action 3 weeks earlier. Upthread you were positive that drastic action in Jan/Feb would have made a difference. Have you changed your stance?

I just don't think we would have had general compliance until we saw what was happening in Italy & don't believe shutting down the economy earlier would lessen the impact on the economy.

The situation in China was so clear. They went into strict lockdown, we saw footage of workers in full PPE spraying the empty streets, they built an emergency hospital in days. Why did people think they did this, which tanked their economy? For a bit of fun? A joke?

I agree @Cam77

This may be triggering for some but I think it this instance compliance is for the greater good, and if you refuse then you are technically endangering the lives of others and should be made a punishable offence.

Typical of MN at the moment that someone says on a thread that they want to die, and everyone simply ignores it and carries on shouting at one another.

I’ll be back later, going for my government allowed exercise ✌🏼

You are all so determined the tories are to blame for fucking it up

Who else could possibly be blamed? The government is Tory.

Not sure you can blame any government for a novel coronavirus, tbh. It’s an unprecedented pandemic.

I’m angry that this govt is incompetent and self serving. Selling our kids NHS records, location data and camera feeds while failing to prepare for a pandemic they knew was coming shows a criminal lack of priorities imo

Olivehater - I entirely agree with you. I think I will have to distance myself from non balanced thinking people on mn also. God help us if rest of nation behaves like majority of these ranting mns

I think the gov wanted to keep schools open a bit longer & push the lockdown back a bit as it had to happen once schools closed.

Alsohuman because you hate the tories for other politiCal reasons. At times of crisis you need to put your personal politics aside. I voted Lib Dem btw. But I don’t blame the tories for a bloody pandemic.