The young healthy people who are dying..

[Whitefeather01]

Do you think that those who died and were said to have been young, fit and healthy with no underlying health issues, probably did have something underlying but didn't know about it?

Or do healthy people really just die from things like this?

Young people with no underlying conditions die of things all the time. For example here is a story from 2018 of a healthy teenager dying from the flu
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-42651203

The people recovering from this are probably a lot higher because unless you go into hospital you won’t be tested. I know people die at home and in care homes but the percentage that die at home are probably not in younger age bracket.

It’s actually 1% of healthy young people will die from coronvirus.

Gin,

Where do you get 1% from. I have read 0.2% of young people, so even less of healthy young people. And that is the CFR, so if not all of young people get it, it will likely be 1/1,000 or less of healthy young people.

The more that's coming out about this virus the more i think they've duped us into thinking young people are perfectly safe. This virus doesn't care for age, yes they are a smaller percentage but very very there. This week alone, a baby in america, 13yo here, 18 yo, 21yo and 2 young nurses in their 30s who had families, so tragic and imo i think the government need to make it crystal clear that covid can kill people below 70 even if just to make people listen to lockdown rules effectively.

These young ones are still someones family member, everyone keeps saying 1% healthy people will die but how can it be 1% when we don't know the true infection numbers. They aren't testing near enough people to actually know.

Also why are the recovery rates so low, only 135 people from uk have recovered according to numbers. Not alot of recoveries is there?

Wanna,

I don’t know where that 135 number comes from. However, you will also notice from the same site that we only have 163 in serious/critical condition.

I am not sure how reliable the U.K. numbers are. I trust the positive tests and deaths, but not the other two.

Also the fact that you can cite details of the young healthy people who have died shows how rare this is (thankfully!)

Luckily Gin it is not 1% of healthy young people dying, it is 0.0016% of the very young and about 0.2% of young/young adults, pretty much mirroring the annual expected death rate of people in that age bracket (yes, that does increase overall risk of dying of anything, but we don't usually walk round terrified that our young people have a 0.2% chance of dying that year and keep them on lockdown)

Look at any graph by age (and gender, and comorbidities) and it is very clear who is dying

I have no underlying health issues, young, slim, do exercise etc... and was incredibly unwell. I think in hindsight I probably should have gone to hospital but thankfully turned a corner. I have been in bed a week and can now just make it down the stairs without having to sit down to catch my breath mid way through.

Don’t underestimate quite how nasty this virus can be for even fit and well people.

@Wannabangbang the NHS isn’t a joined up organisation and even in the best circumstances have issues recording and collating real time data.

I’m confident speculating that at the moment they just aren’t dedicating any resources to following up patients who have been diagnosed and since discharged home or collating critical care numbers although they may be issuing bed occupancy numbers. Their focus is on recording positives and deaths and even that is proving to be difficult as there are different processes going on in different trusts.

I suspect that a percentage of patients tested for covid aren’t being formally diagnosed till their test results are back and in some cases this is happening after they’ve died. This likely means someone is physically adjusting the data and ensuring that it’s all allocated correctly.

Scotland is including suspected deaths in its figures now (x-rays have proven to show very good markers of covid) and I imagine this will be down to a delay in test results.

Average age of death is still 78. Yes some younger people will die and many more will have a rough time with this illness. But it is still far lower risk for young healthy people.

We have probably lost fewer young people to road traffic accidents than usual for this time of year. The lockdown has probably saved some young lives

The more that's coming out about this virus the more i think they've duped us into thinking young people are perfectly safe.

Duped ? Not in this household.

Depends where you get your facts from - experts or politicians.

It's politicians (aided by vast swathes of their fanbase) that are pushing the "only the old" line. Doctors and scientists have been crystal clear from day one that we can't yet know the spread of mortality.

Italy numbers death by age 85% were over 70

www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/

DG Rossetti - WHO figs date back to Nov so we do have an idea of spread of mortality

DG Rossetti - WHO figs date back to Nov so we do have an idea of spread of mortality

Making the suggestion there was any "duping" going on even more

We do know the spread of mortality so far. Those graphs couldn't be clearer about the far far far far greater risk to the elderly (and far greater risk to men)

I, and I note quite a few others in passing, although not any statistics that I have seen, have noticed that the recent "young, healthy" including the two nurses who tragically passed away, seem to have been quite large. I know not all, but I am convinced that this must be a contributing issue, and that it is not being acknowledged. I also noticed some time ago in pictures from Italian ICU's the size of many of the patients was also quite in evidence.

Apologies if this upsets anyone.

... Every single person in there overflowed ICU is under 50. Taken over the theatre ward and are trying to open another to cope with the inflow of patients. The youngest of which is early twenties, many fit with no pre existing medical conditions. ...

It's possible they had a congenital heart problem for instance and didn't know. Due to the scale of the epidemic, unfortunately they are not doing full pm's so we will never know.

When they say no health problems they are excluding the fact they are often obese. That's not really healthy as it puts your organs under strain already.

The reason the government has advised over 70s to self isolate is because the stats/experts show they are more at risk

Yes thanks DGRossetti, just goes to show why statistics are a far better way of judging an overall picture.
Mortality rates by age in graph form