The young healthy people who are dying..

[Whitefeather01]

Do you think that those who died and were said to have been young, fit and healthy with no underlying health issues, probably did have something underlying but didn't know about it?

Or do healthy people really just die from things like this?

Thing is, you can’t hang your hat on any one factor. It’s almost perverse, but being super sporty (like athletics level) can actually lower your immune system if you’re training intensely. It doesn’t seem right that people can be at their peak of physical fitness yet vulnerable to illness but it’s true.

Most of us have no idea what kind of immune system we have and zero idea of how our body would react to any illness. We’ve lived in a golden age of vaccines and medicine so this is a hard hitting reminder that science can only do so much and things take time.

I think people might like to think that’s the case, that they had undiagnosed issues. But quite a few young healthy people have died, I’m sure they didn’t all have undiagnosed issues. I think people want to believe that, but we need to look at these health people die and worry, because worry means we take more precautions. Too many people not following the rules

I think realistically it's still very very rare. The one or two every few days is just a drop in the actual death rate. It's still obv very very sad but also very rare.

It always says no known underlying health conditions- not that there were none

You can be really unlucky with any virus. Children can die of chicken pox. It is rare, but sometimes it happens. It’s why we should do our best not to let this virus spread.

There is so much othering going on when it comes to this. A lot of people absolutely determined to convince themselves that they will only have a bit of a cold due to their superior genes/lifestyle. We don’t know if we have undetected underlying conditions and we don’t know if we are going to be one of the unlucky few that just get a really severe case of it for no discernible reason. Low risk isn’t no risk.

One of my friends has had a confirmed case and has been very ill. Young healthy mum, no issues. She will recover, but 4 weeks later she still feels ill and it is still restricted with what she can do with her kids. The chances of dying may be low, but that does not mean it will be very mild for you.

There is a difference between dying from corona and dying with corona in the body and testing positive for it. There are articles including from the bbc website.

Equally plenty of people die from pneumonia and other complications when they are older. But they aren’t tested for what it was..just put down as pneumonia or whatever on the death certificate. But now they are testing a finding this.

I’m not saying it’s ok, just giving some perspective.

Also I look young fit and healthy. A few years back I was diagnosed with a number of diseases you wouldn’t know I by looking At me. Prior to diagnosis if I died from this I’d be labelled no underlying health conditions as they wouldn’t be found during autopsy

The figures being shared of corona deaths are those who died of it, not those who died with it.

I think there is a lot we don’t know about this virus yet. Primarily it seems to be older, fatter men dying of it and generally their hearts aren’t so good- I am wondering if some of the young “healthy” people had undiagnosed heart conditions, even perhaps irregular heartbeats that wouldn’t show up generally. Those with a strong heart tend to pull through better, after all the heart is responsible for pumping the blood and oxygen round your body, even when your lungs are struggling.

I have spent 2 and a half weeks very unwell with what the NHS told me is coronavirus- I was never tested as never went to hospital but they told me to assume I had it due to having all the symptoms. I am someone you’d assume would be very unwell - I am 39 with Addison’s disease, asthma, a pituitary tumour etc. But - I am very fit. I walk LOTS, I am a good weight, and oddly enough I’ve had a lot of heart investigations due to my other issues and I’ve been told my heart is very good. I have a very good blood pressure etc. I am convinced this is one of the reasons I was able to battle through things.

You can be in good health generally, or seem to be, and have a bad heart or genetically high cholesterol.

Have a look at these graphs on age and underlying conditions; informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/

0.2% (or 2 in every 1000) of young people aged 10 - 19 with confirmed cases died in Italy and China. As a comparison for the +80 year olds the number of deaths for those with confirmed cases was higher than 15% (or 150 per 1000). That's not taking underlying health conditions into account.

Apparently around 70% of people who have died from this virus are overweight because being obese puts such a strain on your lungs.

That stat is actually overweight/ obese. Also around 65% of people over 64 are overweight/ obese in the UK. So it’s pretty much in line with population

Same as with high blood pressure

I think if anyone was following this from when it began in China, it was clear that younger pp were dying. I think it was utterly irresponsible by the Gvt to imply it 'only affected older pp and those with underlying health conditions. It allowed them to not put proper protections in place and made pp not take it seriously. Sadly as more younger pp get affected we will see the true nature of this potentially deadly virus.

It could be viral load or cytokine storm where their immune system massively over reacts.

The figures being shared of corona deaths are those who died of it, not those who died with it.

That's not true. It's more complicated than that. This article explains it. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

From the article.
"The death figures being reported daily are hospital cases where a person dies with the coronavirus infection in their body - because it is a notifiable disease cases have to be reported.
But what the figures do not tell us is to what extent the virus is causing the death.
"It could be the major cause, a contributory factor or simply present when they are dying of something else."

You just never know. there are many stories of top athletes dying of heart attacks at a young age yet if you went to a doctor with heart pains and you were under 50 it would probably be bottom of their list...

@alloutoffucks
People saying about 70% of those who died were overweight. About 65% of all the population are overweight, so that would indicate being fat is only a slight increase in risk.

Try reading the actual research paper that was linked. Obese people are at approximately 3.5 times more risk of becoming critically ill from COVID-19 once you adjust for all other factors.

apologies, these are the exact figures - it's 2.42 times more likely:

After adjusting for potential confounders, compared to normal weight, overweight showed 86% higher, and obesity group showed 2·42-fold higher odds of developing severe pneumonia.

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3556658

@SpratsOnParade That is contrary to what has been said about individual reported cases where we are told that they are not included in stats because although they tested positive, they died of something else. That is what we were told when young people were dying but we were still told the youngest who had died of corona was much older.

I think the thing is that we forget that flu also kills a very small number of young, seemingly healthy people, it's just not usually reported in the news as this is.

@ScarlettBlaize That does not fit with with the percentage of people dying who are overweight against the general population.

@ScarlettBlaize What the paper actually says is -
This is the first study showing that obesity, especially in men, significantly increases the risk of developing severe pneumonia in COVID-19 patients.

@alloutoffucks It's a research paper from The Lancet family of journals. I'm afraid that I take their properly conducted, peer-reviewed, statistically robust research with more seriousness than what you reckon.

It’s because it’s so unusual for young fit healthy people to die as a result of this virus that those people that do are the ones who are being singled out in the media.

I didn’t see the newspapers on any day name every single person who had died on that day. That will never happen.

But it makes news (and scares the hell out of us all). And that’s why it’s being reported.

The media are not helping calm the nerves and help the mental fragility and worry that we are all going through at this moment. The media are in turn feeding on that fragility and worry.

The daily mail is the worst for this. A horrible paper.

450,000 people die of malaria each year but no one really gives a shit as they’re not old Western men

The vast majority of ‘reports’ of ‘healthy young fit’ people I’ve seen were either visibly unhealthy or later transpired to have an underlying condition. I don’t know of any cases where a bona fide healthy young person has died (not saying this doesn’t happen, I’m sure it does, I just haven’t seen it reported).