China has approved the use of bear bile to treat critically ill coronavirus patients.

[Grumpyoldpersonwithcats]

From the BBC website.

Words fail me.

They haven’t learnt a bldy thing then!!

Did you honestly think they would? In a communist totalitarian state where the need to "save face" is such a driver?

@PamelaPupkin no never seen that with dogs in the UK. But I have absolutely seen it with cows sheep pigs, chickens.

I could link a million different videos showing you the abhorrent conditions these animals live in inside the UK.

Different countries just torture different animals. You being outraged about dogs but not cows is hypocrisy. No two ways about it.

Oh silly me.

Blowtorching dogs and draining bile from live bears is just the same as farming.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon already they are passing legislation to remove that rule

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vogue.co.uk/article/china-lifting-animal-testing-laws%3famp

I’m no countries shill but I hate the way people form the west always like to believe they have moral high ground when all cultures are exactly the same and just choose different animals which are acceptable to eat.

There need to be sanctions for this

I doubt there'll be sanctions because of passing outrage over the bears ... but there could well be as a result of the deaths and financial chaos that's been caused

Animal welfare in the UK is a bit better than some countries in certain areas, but that is only recent anyway so we're hardly in a position to preach.

Not to mention that we now allow animals to be killed slowly to placate religious people. Where's the outcry over that?

@ChardonnaysPetDragon I will absolutely post links of the exact same things happening to cows and pigs in the UK but then you’d report me and have it removed.

What is the difference between a cow and a dog?

"there could well be (sanctions) as a result of the deaths and financial chaos that's been caused" Hardly. The people with the authority to impose them tend not to get their information from Youtube conspiracy videos.

Then again the US has Trump so it's not impossible.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon already they are passing legislation to remove that rule.

After decades of keeping it unnecessarily. And don't @ me , I'm on the thread, aren't I? And I have it disabled.

And I hate the way some people some people think two wrongs make a right. So you are happy with China torturing animals because the West does too, but generally you are against all animal torture? But no one is allowed to criticise some practices in China?

OK, if that makes sense to you.

It's Trump who I had in mind, LastTrainEast
I didn't say that sanctions would necessarily be the right thing to do, only that they could happen ... and the motives for doing that may well be mixed

The people with the authority to impose them tend not to get their information from Youtube conspiracy videos.

Sorry, what's the conspiracy theory? That the virus started in Wuhan?

@ChardonnaysPetDragon oh no I believe both practices are absolutely abhorrent. But I know most of the outraged on this thread will happily tuck into their factory framed cows and pigs later today and think they are on the moral high ground when they are obviously not.

Just pointing out hypocrisy when I see it.

Our NHS offered Homeopathy last I looked.

I used to have treatment for ME at the National Homeopathic Hospital, in between GOSH and the National Hospital for Neurology and Neurosurgery.

Thankfully I think it’s now closed.

Chardonnay the point is if you are against the torture or inhumane treatment of animals then it should be all animals everywhere surely?

So you are happy with the way China treats animals because of the farming practices in the West?

Do we blowtorch dogs here?

Chardonnay you are purposely being obtuse. Nobody on this thread thinks the practices in the wet markets are right. However the exact same things happen to animals in the UK.

But those animals are not cute and fluffy so nobody cares.

Are you going to answer the question as to why the torture of animals in the UK is any different than in China?

ChardonnaysPetDragon and had it started in London you would expect sanctions against the UK?
It's a conspiracy theory that the Chinese are at fault. Are you religious? If so you should blame god.

China took action to lock down early and limited deaths to just over 3,000 saving countless lives.

Yes, right after they covered up the virus, punished those who brought it to light, and let 5million, possibly infected, people leave just before 'lockdown'.

You don't see your own hypocrisy? And you are happy to call out others for that?

I grew up with farmers. I know how pigs and chickens are slaughtered. Nothing like blowtorching an lice animal or draining them for bile.

Our NHS offered Homeopathy last I looked

What???!!!

I thought the homeopathic society said primary care funding for it had been stopped?

It's a conspiracy theory that the Chinese are at fault.

Yes, of course.