Would you vaccinate yourself against CV

[LaPerla]

Would you be the first to vaccinate yourself/children against CV when the vaccine is available?

Ok, I admit, mandatory might be going too far, but making it a requirement for being accepted to a state school is different.

You still have the option of homeschooling or going private, so nothing is forced on you.

Lweji “ If the option is between taking a vaccine or reducing contacts to a weekly shopping, what would you choose?”

Wow, if I could afford to stay home, I’d totally stay home! Am I allowed out for exercise?

You still have the option of homeschooling or going private, so nothing is forced on you.

Just think about how counterproductive that is from an education POV though.

No disrespect to anti vaxxers, who I think are sometimes unfairly maligned, but there’s a certain cohort among them who think that Joe, their mate off FB is a better source of medical info that the WHO, NHS, etc.

Just imagine the quality of home schooling that you might get from those types? And so the misinformation perpetuates.

There’s a reason why mass schooling was made available for free (and it was made v difficult to opt out of it). That reason hasn’t gone away.

but making it a requirement for being accepted to a state school is different

No it's not, it's still forcing your hand indirectly, knowing full well that people aren't financially stable enough to provide home schooling

Wow, if I could afford to stay home, I’d totally stay home! Am I allowed out for exercise?

For the rest of 2020 and 2021?

Or will you be happy for the rest of the population to get vaccinated so that you are allowed out?

That's the key. Those choosing not to vaccinate have to rely on others doing it.

I wouldn't but not because I am anti vax, I have damage from another medication and I seem to react badly to almost everything now. That aside I'm not in any specific risk group and my immune system is good so for me personally that feels like the safest option.

Lweji, again, if I can afford it, sure. It’s the dream of my life to be a hermit.

I wouldn’t want to go to shops, I’d rather get deliveries.

I would like to go for exercise as I live in a small flat.

I don’t care if anyone else is or isn’t vaccinated. I’m amazed we haven’t had a pandemic before and I thought it would kill a huge number of people, including me, with asthma and other conditions. The worst case numbers we’ve been told is nothing like what I was expecting.

I shudder to think what hysteria will come with the next pandemic.

No.

I’m normally very pro vaccination btw. I just think they’ve been so rushed about this, I’d like to see how the vaccine goes.

Happy to have it if it’s socially responsible but the way they’re going, I want to give it some time. Rushed science is bad science as Dr John Lee said.

Yes if it has been through the clinical trials process and been licensed for use

I'm not anti-vax, all my children are fully vaccinated, but I think it's sensible to want to avoid a rushed vaccine. Does nobody remember that the rushed swine flu vaccine caused narcolepsy?

www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html

Does nobody remember that the rushed swine flu vaccine caused narcolepsy

I didn't even know that

Without a doubt I would! I want my life back and I want everyone else to have theirs back too! I couldn’t cope with another thing like this!

Depends whether I've had it by then, doesn't it? But almost certainly yes. I'm generally pro vaccine and I imagine lessons were learned from the swine flu vaccine issues and they won't be releasing anything without proper testing this time round.

Does nobody remember that the rushed swine flu vaccine caused narcolepsy

No - but my 2 year old was hospitalised with Swine Flu pneumonia and I perhaps look at it through a different lens than you

Yes because I have low immune system

H1N1 vaccine does NOT cause narcolepsy, fgs.

Some studies in some european countries found an increased risk (need to find by how much) in 5-19 year olds for narcolepsy but not all countries.
This was for one vaccine, but not all (from the CDC link provided below, which doesn't show cause as claimed).

www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/narcolepsy-association-pandemic-influenza-vaccination-multi-country-european

Very low rates of narcolepsy.
Increased but highly variable risk of narcolepsy. Still very low.

There may be an association, and an increased risk, but the likelihood that any child will develop narcolepsy after vaccination is still very very low.

"The pooled background incidence rate of diagnosed narcolepsy was low and stable at around 1 per 100 000
PY between 2000 and 2010 (0.85/100 000 PY prior to the vaccination campaigns).
• Lower background rates of diagnoses were observed among children:

I didn't claim that all flu vaccinations caused narcolepsy, I claimed that the rushed pandemrix vaccine did.

The Irish government has to pay out 4 million after a woman took them to court over it.
www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/narcolepsy-case-state-faces-4m-bill-after-vaccine-settlement-1.4088687

GSK haven't admitted liability, but I don't think they would have settled if the woman's claim was baseless.

@PlywoodPlank I don’t trust we will ever get a reliable information about a death rate as people with milder version of CV are not being tested.

Sorry I'm confused, if the disease is a mild case why would it kill you?

Still... "causes" narcolepsy is very strong.

Does nobody remember that the rushed swine flu vaccine caused narcolepsy

Very generic and misleading statement.

I don’t trust we will ever get a reliable information about a death rate as people with milder version of CV are not being tested

Not in the UK, but some countries are. Not only milder cases, but also contacts of cases.

if the disease is a mild case why would it kill you

It's not a matter of a mild case killing you, it's to do with the death rate being a lot lower in the population if more people have been exposed to it.

If you're only assessing cases by testing the worse ones, it puts the death rate percentage up. Eg if 100 in the population have been tested and 4 people die, the death rate is 4%. If however 1000 people have been tested and still only 4 die, the percentage for death rate is 0.4%, meaning it's less deadly

Yes, we'll all be having it when it is made available.

I'm quite shocked at responses here which scares me. Why on earth would you risk not only your lives, but others, by not having it. It won't be given out until it's properly tested, anti vaxxing attitudes are only going to make it worse.