Would you vaccinate yourself against CV

[LaPerla]

Would you be the first to vaccinate yourself/children against CV when the vaccine is available?

Yes, front of the queue just like I was for swine flu. They are already testing a CV-19 vaccine on humans in the US.

They are also testing a universal flu vaccine that would protect against ALL flu viruses. I’ll be happy to have that one too.

You bet I would.

The reason why it will take a long time to be released is because it will be properly tested first. At least in the West. Less sure about China.

I will take any vaccine offered. As will my kids. Vaccines shouldn't be optional, as far as I'm concerned. Diseases - even relatively mild ones like CV* - can decimate a society, kills hundreds of thousands, wreck the global economy. If you want to be a part of that society you ought to do your bit to protect it, by getting a vaccine. Not willing to? You don't get the benefits of that society. No schools, no benefits. Etc.

*Mild in comparison to, say, ebola.

Possible immune over-reaction would concern me. My mum developed severe rheumatoid arthritis following a routine flu jab.

This was managed with oral steroids until she then started to have multiple fractures due to osteoporosis. Then on methotrexate and then on biological injections for the rest of her life. Plus other medication to manage the side effects of the RA medication.

By the time her GP advised her not to be immunised again it was already too late.

WRT seasonal flu, there is data showing that Hong Kong halved the peak (on my phone so cant link), reduced the season by a couple of months and brought transmission rates to almost zero as a result of non pharmaceutical interventions to control CV.

This new vaccine will use formulations that have already been shown to be safe and effective for other diseases.
The difference will be the epitopes, which are bits of protein or DNA that will elicit the best protective immune response. We need to make sure the immune response won't make infection worse. And that it won't trigger undesired autoimmune responses, for example. That's why it will take months of testing.

If you were asking if I'd volunteer myself or my child to be part of those trials, is another matter.

But once it's deployed, it will be much safer than getting the virus.

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Other posters have said they think vaccines should be compulsory for children to acsess school. Others have just stated why they think this is unfair/unethical. No one is saying it will actually happen.

Although a vaccine may just stimulate your own immune system, they are not harmless and to discribed it as such is very misleading. All vaccine have side effects and for a small minority they can be very sever. For many of us we feel that the benefit of a covid19 vaccine does not outweigh the the potential side effects.

All vaccine have side effects and for a small minority they can be very sever. For many of us we feel that the benefit of a covid19 vaccine does not outweigh the the potential side effects.

For the vast majority of people vaccines don't have side effects at all or they are never worse than a slightly raised temperature the day after.
How does that compare with getting breathing difficulties with COVID? Or passing it on to your otherwise healthy father who'd probably live to his 90s, but got COVID?

As a rule I don’t use new vaccines/medicines unless it’s a serious matter which CV wouldn’t be (for us, obviously if one of us was susceptible then I’d make sure we all had it)

But you have no idea whether CV would be a serious matter for you. You can make a guess, based on the statistics that have emerged so far, but there have still been plenty of severe cases and deaths amongst people who should have been the lowest risk. You have no idea if you or your family will be one of the unlucky ones.

For most children, chickenpox is a mild disease but for a few, it's fatal. My DC have had (or will have when they're old enough) the jab privately for exactly that reason. If they happened to be one of the unlucky ones, I couldn't live myself, knowing that I could have kept them safe but didn't.

Or being part of spreading a disease worldwide that will kill hundreds of thousands of poor people around the world? If the impact of covid-19 looks bad now, wait til it hits refugee camps in Syria, wait til it rages through countries like Afghanistan. Wait a few weeks to see how many poor Indians have starved to death under their country's lockdown.

For a healthy person to avoid a vaccine stating that the risks to them as an individual outweigh the benefits to the world is morally abhorrent.

It's true that the younger and healthier don't die as much, but many still have a serious enough disease, that people have described as horrible.
I don't understand how some people think that a vaccine would be worse.

While I’d fight to be at the front of the queue for a CV-19 vaccine, I do not agree that vaccination should be mandatory for adults or children.

All vaccines carry risk. As an adult, I am choosing to accept that risk and be vaccinated. Parents have this right to choose to accept risk on behalf of their children. The state should not have this power over us.

It would take giving up a basic human right to allow the State to dictate what medical interventions go into our bodies. First, if they take away the parental right and dictate what children get, the next step is to deny that right to adults. It’s too slippery a slope.

It also creates tax payer liability instead of manufacturer liability. If a state required medical intervention causes bodily harm or death, then the injured or relatives can claim compensation from the government (funded by taxpayers) but not the manufacturer. This would encourage vaccine and other drug manufacturers to skimp on safety testing because they are no longer liable if they put a bad product on the market. The state making them mandatory is the state accepting full liability for all risks.
This is a big reason why we still have this right in the hands of the individual. Because by having the right to choose, we accept the risks and that limits our ability to seek compensation if a known side effect or risk adversely affects us.

No, but I'm cautious about vaccines. Think I've had it, certainly waiting for an antibody test (hopefully on the trial for that as exh is running part of it)

Cheri I agree. I'm horrified by a lot of the comments on here, a lot of very misinformed narrow minded opinions.

Some people might change their mind when this virus reaches its peak and they start to see friends , neighbours or family members sick or dying. When their "I'm alright Jack" mentality is in question.

makes a mental note not to click on anti vaxx threads in future

Great post from PlanDeRaccordement

totally agree

rubella/../ I want my kids protecting against, so the risk of the vaccine is worth the protection from the disease. I don't feel covid19 is enough of a danger to my kids that I would risk a vaccine

Rubella is not dangerous for children and is in vaccination schedule to protect pregnant women. So it's interesting that you think rubella vaccination is a calculated risk, but not Covid.

Yes. No question.

No.

Plans points are valid.

The problem in our culture now is that there is are endless social media platforms for anti vaxxers to spread fear and misinformation. They are often backed up by unreliable anecdotal evidence from members of the public and links to dubious sources giving "professional" opinion form "medical" bodies.

People think they are making an informed opinion based on nothing more than social media speculation and hype.

The state making them mandatory is the state accepting full liability for all risks.
Because they had it tested and monitored and deemed it safe enough.
Not very different from having a recommended vaccine.

However, with a mandatory vaccine, you'd have to police those who didn't, enforce it and it would make it harder for those who might be at risk due to underlying diseases for example.

Not immediately

The way they are behaving, I’d like to check it’s okay first.

@PlanDeRaccordement Couldn't agree more, great post

If the option is between taking a vaccine or reducing contacts to a weekly shopping, what would you choose?

Say for schools to reopen, 70% of the children need to be vaccinated.
Are the nos here expect the other parents to vaccinate their children or be prepared to homeschool their own children?

Schools in Italy have removed school places from those not vaccinated against measles. It is being considered here and some nurseries are insisting on proof of vaccination before offering places. Particularly in central London where there have been severe outbreaks. We used to be classed as a Measles free country.

That's not making it mandatory. You could decide not to vaccinate your child and make other schooling/childcare arrangements. It's still a choice.