How long do you think we can tolerate this lockdown?

[TeethingAgain]

I know it's necessary and for thy e greater good, but how long do you think society will tolerate it before (more) people start flouting the rules? Are there psychologists who the government are consulting about how long humans can be expected to live like this? I know people say we are just being asked to sit on our sofas but that's a very simplistic way of looking at a gargantuan change in lifestyle and social habits which are engrained within us.

I think people could manage 8-12 weeks and I think the toll on mental health will start to outweigh the physical health benefits.

She has a very imaginative deputy head of middle school

Ok then, if that's the best you can do...

Don't blame us for the lack of PPE
blame the people who chose to underfund the NHS

What are talking about? Who is 'us'? Of course that is who I blame for it, them and those who voted them in knowing they planned to continue the chronic underfunding of the NHS (which is now going to bite a lot of people on the arse).

But also - people flouting the rules = more infected and hospitalised = less staff, equipment and resources including PPE.

I'm not flouting any rules.
I've go no money to live on.
THAT is why I hate the lockdown.

Unlike people bragging on the other thread about lockdown making them better off, some of us are wondering how we will pay the bills in a few weeks.

If you look at the ONS stats on death rates for this month up to the backend of last week, they are pretty much the same as the average for the last 5 years.

how the fuck would you have coped if you or your OH/DC's had been called up for active service during one of the world wars?

Oh come on now 😂

We'd have been in the factories making ammo or working on the trams keeping the country moving. The kids would have been with the grandparents. My old nana told me loads about the war. She didn't glamourise it, it was very hard and horrible for basically everyone. But even she admitted she hated the shelter. She hated the rationing. And everyone was in the same boat, communities and families rallied around to support.

The war brought people together.

Which is precisely the fucking opposite of what is going on right now.

The gov are asking us to do our bit and the vast majority of people ARE. I went to the shops this morning for the first time in 3 weeks, in the middle of a major city, and saw ONE person on the street for the whole mile walk.

But they need to do their bit too. They're not even testing. As I've said before, we have 108 critical cases in my whole rather large country. Is it even in my area yet? How many people in my area are actually affected? The news aren't showing us and aren't painting a full picture. I can only imagine the things you have seen if you are a HCP but surely you must understand the vast majority of people haven't seen that? We are going on a 0% death rate for our kids and a 0.2% for us.

I hate to say it but if the figures / statistics were turned upside down, I'd be petitioning for everyone U18 (or under 30, whatever) to stay isolated while the rest of the country kept the country moving.

But apparently you're not allowed to say that when it comes to the elderly and those with health issues. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I have no idea why Starlight is being attacked

Because people don't like the truth...

She's just trying to make the best of a bad job and I think we all need to try

Exactly that. I'm not exactly having a picnic here, I am recently bereaved and have no family left except my DC's, I have lost thousands in bookings for the holiday chalet I have and will now be forced to sell for a fraction of what it is worth (can't afford the site fees now). I have a history of severe DA, PTSD and other health issues, but worked my arse off to get a nursing degree, I am now being rewarded for that by having to work in horrendous conditions, without adequate protection for low pay. I am not young and have had some health problems, so if I catch this it could kill me and leave my DC's alone. There are five of us in a 2 bed with a tiny garden, I'm not having fun here, trust me.

But people need to get that there is no alternative to this, it ism not being done just for the hell of it, it is serious, really serious. It may not be hitting hard yet where some are, but it is on it's way.

If you look at the ONS stats on death rates for this month up to the backend of last week, they are pretty much the same as the average for the last 5 years

Yes - that is why hospitals are full to bursting now and exhibition centres are being set up as hospitals with giant mortuaries attached now and weren't there. The total figures for last week will not be anywhere near accurate yet.

Well, I'd take my chances being out there and getting on with my job, instead of stuck at home doing it with a very real threat of it going. I'm in the high risk category with underlying health conditions, but the country needs to run and I need to keep a roof over our heads here.

Not as long as many people are suggesting in my opinion. In 4-6 weeks it's going to be tough!

ou must understand the vast majority of people haven't seen that? We are going on a 0% death rate for our kids and a 0.2% for us

Yes - I get that and that is what worries me - some are using dodgy probabilities and lack of knowledge to inform themselves, if they choose to dismiss the threat and measures taken on that sort of basis it is not just themselves they will be putting at risk.

Well, I'd take my chances being out there and getting on with my job, instead of stuck at home doing it with a very real threat of it going

But that decision would not only impact you - it would affect others who have followed the measures, it could well stop them having access to treatment. And I still believe if you saw what a brutal and lonely death it often is, you would not make the same decision.

There are loads of current vacancies for essential workers out there for those who are struggling to pay the bills and could work.

if they choose to dismiss the threat and measures taken on that sort of basis it is not just themselves they will be putting at risk.

When people have lost or are facing losing everything they have and are desperate, do you really think they will care about others they don't know?

And don't say that's being dramatic, a family member had a conversation with someone they know who has just lost their job, no redundancy, rent to pay, young kids and no prospect of getting any employment whilst this is going on. That sounds pretty desperate to me.

And I still believe if you saw what a brutal and lonely death it often is, you would not make the same decision.

I'm resigned to the fact I will die earlier than I otherwise possibly would. I've had some time to come to terms with that and am comfortable with it.

My knows full well if I didn't have her and our children, I wouldn't be here now, so yes I am fully prepared to make that decision.

2 to 3 months I think.
But I guess as long as we have to. I think 6 months would be unreasonable and unrealistic.

My knows full well

"My wife knows full well" that should say.

I'm really struggling. We both work and have a one year old. DH still has to attend his workplace. I had been struggling with mental health problems before. Sometimes I feel I can manage but sometimes I feel at breaking point.

Until they are dead. Which will be pretty soon if they don’t do as they are told. Boils my piss!!

We’re not just being asked to “sit on our sofas” though are we? I’m certainly not!
Working full time, juggling toddler DS and 10yo DSD’s schooling (helping) whilst DH is working all the hours at the hospital. It’s not fun. I’m at breaking point already

October?! Why have no other teachers had access to that date? Certainly not in Scotland anyway. I’m not saying it’s wrong, because of course my guess is as good as anyone’s, but if that’s been put into an official letter on the basis of hearsay/speculation it’s very irresponsible. Again, not saying it’s wrong, just finding it odd that such information isn’t coming through to other schools. I’m in professional services at a university and we’ve not heard anything like that.

Though if this does continue on to October I doubt very much that I’ll be working anymore, not with 2 year old DS at home and me in sole charge of him.

I think it's too soon to start worrying about how we'll cope in 3, 6, months' time. We need time to adjust to all this mentally first, and come up with our own ways of dealing with it.

I'm now in a very fortunate position having a garden and a home to live in with people I love and can get on with, and I'm very grateful. If it had happened even a decade ago, living in a tiny space in difficult conditions, it would have been much harder, and my heart goes out to people in living spaces that are too small, or in abusive relationships, or dealing with children who need more room and exercise.

For me, I'm willing to continue for as long as it takes. I have vulnerable friends and family, and the thought of losing them is unbearable. But that is coming from a position of relative privilege. I do hope that people won't start breaking rules, especially if they're also in okay situations but just getting bored, as it's really irresponsible.

I've told myself it's 12 weeks. I've done 1 and a bit, and I'm not getting half as much done as I thought I would, so I've got plenty of gardening / lesson planning / decorating / book reading / cross stitching / weight losing to do. I've got more than enough to do for the next 10 1/2 weeks.
I don't mean to sound flippant, I'm just trying to keep myself busy and sane. I even trampolined today - an overweight 48 year old! I'm hoping if the neighbours were in then they were at the opposite end of the house :-)

I am working, same as before, so could go on forever, as before. Only thing making it hard for me at the moment is having to actually go shopping. Used to have delivery. So I am having to go out more - in addition to working, never seem to be at home.

Looking enviously at lockdown - from a distance - would not be if up close...

I’m not doing it much longer.

All those who think prison isn’t tough enough, maybe you’ll think again after this!

I admire your pelvic floor!

I can't take anymore already.

Having to wait until June for any help is mentally ruining me. Knowing that, in the meantime, I still have bills and everything else to pay on £94 a week.

DD is climbing the walls. Confused because she can't see her friends and her routine is messed up.

I feel suffocated. Can't even just browse in a shop. Going out to the just the supermarket is bloody depressing.

My mental health has taken an absolute battering and it's not about to get any better.