Worried About Coronavirus- thread 35

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@MurrayTheMonk Bloody well done. I hope the families really appreciate what you're doing.

💐❤️ and a hug coming your way x

Only two of Mine have families.
We're like our own little world in there just now.

That's so sad. Thank god for people like you x

Ah I see! I'd still really think that's something a volunteer group or local delivery service could be doing for you and your staff and clients - either to go and get you groceries or set up deliveries for you. Goodness knows you're the kind of people this is supposed to being set up for!

Anyone who might have time to hunt down the facebook contacts and links for you? My area has a local corona virus group where florists in particular are pivoting and starting to deliver fruit, veg, bread and milk to keep working as they have the suppliers and delivery already in place. If I can help please dm me!

Today's numbers. 569 deaths in the UK today, bringing total deaths now to 2,921.

Murray That sounds so terrible.

So basically we are tracking way higher than Italy? Wow.

@CrunchyCarrot is there a reason that your comparison begins at 10 deaths, rather than 50 as the Government's does? I am only dipping in and out of the threads at the moment, so you have probably explained the reasoning before - apologies if that's the case!!

@MurrayTheMonk would Cotton face masks be helpful? I know there are mixed opinions... but there are many sewing scrubs, caps and masks at home for all the extra NHS staff etc. Look up For the love of Scrubs, I'm sure you could find help there.

I will look into it-even it's just mentally better
For the staff rather than offering real protection. Anything is better than nothing.

And I will also check community Facebook groups re shopping. Up till now to be fair our cleaner has been doing it and doing a brilliant job for us-but she is now off for 14 days so its all gone to pot...

Are we still tracking Italy on the numbers?

I make the total 636 uk deaths in the last 24 hrs, fromm bbc news.

15:10
Here's the breakdown of UK fatalities
The number of deaths from coronavirus have now been broken down across the UK.

In England, the figure has reached 2,698, up by 561 from yesterday.

NHS England said the patients were aged between 22 and 100, with 44 of those 561 - who were aged between 25 and 100 - having no known underlying health conditions.

In Scotland, 126 patients have now died - up by 50 from yesterday.

In Wales, the total number of deaths is now 117 - a rise of 19.

And in Northern Ireland, a further six people have died - bringing the total to 36.

@HappyAxolotyl

I’m confused by that discrepancy too. I’m sure there’s an explanation (the U.K. count ends earlier each day than the separate counts maybe?).

I think it depends on how you look at Italy - if you track from 10 we are tracking ahead, if you track from 50 its actually pretty similar. I think as well how they are reported (Im sure weekends make a difference) as well. But roughly I would say we are on similar paths to both Italy and Spain (and the feeling is Italy havent released true figures yet either)

Italy and Spain had a couple of 500/600 days before going up to 800/900 days where they remain. I think by the end of the week we will have jumped to the 800/900 type numbers - its if it goes above them that we are tracking way ahead of them. If not that is the number you would expect to stay at until we can start the drop

Someone (forget who) suggested yesterday I start the chart at 10 deaths, so I remade it from the original into this version. I am not sure why one would start at 50 deaths (or any other number for that matter) as that will push our figures back against Italy's and make our numbers look 'better'. I'd say, if anything, that is why the govt's chart starts at 50!

All of the scientists and experts track from day 10 apparently. I don't know why, I read it on the figures and graphs thread.

I notice the Covid deniers always suggest to track from day 50 or whatever Crunchy. It helps with their ostrich thing.

All of the scientists and experts track from day 10 apparently. I don't know why, I read it on the figures and graphs thread.

And that makes starting from 50 even more shady. I'll bet they change it again, too.

I know...and in the end, tracking from day whatever isn't going to raise the dead, or make any govt look any better!

As I said yesterday - lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Wow. We are rapidly accelerating ahead of Italy's death count on the 16 day lagged figures. What a disaster

It’s not a surprise that we will go ahead of Italy. We’re not locked down as strictly.

And I believe Italy have more ventilators per head of population.

A man sick for seven weeks resistant to treatment tests negative only after a plasma transfusion and released from hospital. They think its a mutation. But study patients are cleared and forgotten after two negative tests, which give false negatives. This is partly why I didn't want the children to get it

Well yes that is the problem with statistics you can basically changed them to say what you like within reason that is my point. Trying to do a direct comparison to say where we are isnt going to help because each country does it slightly differently and all are probably hiding the true picture.

What is clear is that most European countries are on a similar path - we need to hold it at around 800-1000 per day to not have a worse peak than the others and hope that at that point it all goes down. Whatever point that is at

The Deaths are absolutely awful.

Locking Down earlier would have meant our deaths now would be lower.

But what would be the impact long term?

Would it save the lives of these people long term?

Rightly or wrongly I can't see us being locked down for 18 months.

Italy is beginning to get restless and i can see it happening in the UK eventually too.

The reason for the lockdown is to help the NHS cope and save the lives that can be saved.

I just can't see a way out if this mess without us locking down until a vaccine is found and closing our borders too.

The economic impact of that is terrifying and will result in many deaths.

There are going to be a lot of deaths, both matter what actions the UK govt take.

The NHS is not an capacity yet and I only decisions have been made at the right time to ensure as many lives as possible can be saved.

PpE, well that is completely separate and some serious questions need to be answered.