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Could this be the end of the Royal family?

839 replies

BeijingBikini · 30/03/2020 12:52

I don't mean if they die of the virus...

But there's nothing like a lockdown to really highlight inequality. I saw an article yesterday about Kate + William "isolating" at Anmer Hall, having done a photoshoot where they pretend to be on the telephone and writing ("working").

I think if people are going to have to spend months at home, in small flats with kids, still going out to work or trying to WFH, queueing for supermarkets with empty shelves......that could definitely breed some discontent. Or if people catch it and have to be treated in makeshift hospitals, not getting an ambulance until they're struggling to breathe, while the RF can be whisked away to a private hospital for treatment. I've already seen a lot of comments along the lines of "why don't they offer up their many palaces to be used as hospitals, rather than doing newspaper articles".

Opinions?

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Clavinova · 01/04/2020 21:54

You do realise it would be a pretty skilled undertaking and one you couldn't be even trained for in an hour?

Well actually, I did do this as a Girl Guide (for 6 months).
One hour was metaphorical - 'only' one hour of my time wouldn't be very impressive.

Livingtothefull · 01/04/2020 21:59

'help disabled kids ride ponies, whatever'

I know you won't care but you are making me angry Clavinova. Your attitude on here is awful. I have a disabled DS, one of the reasons the current situation is hitting us hard is because the skilled carers we rely on aren't available. It takes a special kind of person with the right training to care for the disabled, I wouldn't let a random ignoramus like you anywhere near my DS.

Livingtothefull · 01/04/2020 22:01

And with your latest post you just made yourself look worse. I'm not going to bother with you any longer, just go ahead and keep digging yourself an even bigger hole.

Clavinova · 01/04/2020 22:13

Livingtothefull
I think you have taken my posts out of context.

I suspect your upset is faux - yesterday you called me 'a loon' for no obvious reason.

Livingtothefull · 01/04/2020 22:14

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UYScuti · 01/04/2020 22:19

Heyyy, get a room already:o

audreysview · 01/04/2020 22:58

I don’t understand people who vigorously defend the royal family. How can they possibly think it’s right, and why aren’t they outraged that they’re doing fuck all in this crisis.

Wolfgirrl · 01/04/2020 23:20

@audreysview

It's quite sad really. Defending people that would never defend you back. I think it speaks of a neediness.

Wolfgirrl · 01/04/2020 23:23

@Livingtothefull

I think we have discovered why clavinova feels a kinship with the royals - lacking in empathy, dismissive of others, and no idea how badly they come across...

I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties at the moment, hopefully life will return to normal for you and DS soon FlowersCakeBrew

audreysview · 01/04/2020 23:34

Wolfgirl It’s so weird isn’t it, the way they put these royals up on a pedestal. It’s a form of hero worship, as if they’re superior. If only they knew how much the royals probably hate them, laugh at them when they get home to their palaces. Confused

definitelygc · 02/04/2020 07:25

If only they knew how much the royals probably hate them, laugh at them

I met members of the aristocracy who are friends with the royals on a night out once and was horrified by the absolute disdain they had for "Joe public". In the space of one conversation I heard racial slurs, comments about Kate's "lack of breeding" and jokes about how they were surprised their cleaning staff could actually read and write. I've never looked at the royals in the same way after that.

MarshaBradyo · 02/04/2020 07:55

I have no doubt they look down on people as much as masses look up to them. Crazy to go along with it.

Livingtothefull · 02/04/2020 08:36

Thanks so much Wolfgirrl. It isn't easy for us at the moment but I am aware many people had it as hard or harder, for different reasons. The comments from Clavinova about 'disabled kids' said it all about her mentality and lack of empathy - a person after the Royals' own heart.

I have both first hand and anecdotal evidence of the disdain and lack of empathy from members of the RF have for us - I actually think that their upbringing, the cosseting and the constant adulation they receive, ensures they are incapable of empathy.

eg I think the tragedy with Andrew's recent interview is that he actually thought that it had gone well and had no idea how badly he had come across. He obviously expected us to believe what he was saying without question, however implausible - obviously he is used to just being taken at his word and not having his will crossed.

Wolfgirrl · 02/04/2020 08:47

@livingtothefull

Yes I think Andrew's interview was an uncensored demonstration of their attitude. It wasnt the fact he was dismissive of the claims made against him, it was the fact the human impact of the world he got himself caught up in didnt even register with him. It was like the suffering of others just didnt exist; he only discussed himself, with absolutely no thought for anyone else. And then to say he is only guilty of being 'too honourable', I can really see him there just repeating what he has been told by sycophants. In my opinion his whole interview was tinged with some kind of psychopathy.

The world is very unfair, sleaze bags like Andrew living a life of luxury while others suffer. However at least we can have the satisfaction that we have earned what we have and our relationships are truly genuine, which IMO is something money can't buy Flowers

dairyfairies · 02/04/2020 08:51

I don't know - help disabled kids ride ponies, whatever...

Goodness Angry

I think you can leave this thread alone now, clavinova. you have clearly shown what a person you are. I have a disabled child - I am really tempted to give you a piece of my mind but this would probably violate MN guidelines, so I leave it here.

Heygirlheyboy · 02/04/2020 08:57

So true Wolfgirrl.

Noodlenosefraggle · 02/04/2020 09:06

it was the fact the human impact of the world he got himself caught up in didnt even register with him.
This is what offended me most about that interview. It was basically him saying 'dont you know I'm a Prince, and I was a war hero?' He basically told everyone who the Royals were and had no idea how badly it came across. He didnt notice the teenaged girls serving his sleazy friends because people like him dont take any notice of staff. He felt he could pass any old hokum off as fact because he's a prince. I doubt he's unusual in the Royal Family. Prince Charles calling Nick Witchell an odious man when the pointless sycophantic non job of Royal Correspondent is what keeps the veil of superiority cloaking the Royals up. And that job was a punishment for some kind of transgression by Witchell who used to be a proper journalist.

MsTSwift · 02/04/2020 09:21

It is an embarrassing anachronism I don’t think it is healthy psychologically for them being lauded and cosseted (result Andrews utter blindness as above) and certainly not healthy for the subject sycophants. It’s a hangover from another age and I think better for everyone if quietly sidelined after the queens death.

Clavinova · 02/04/2020 10:15

dairyfairies
My innocuous post was taken out of context. It is a common tactic on MN - disingenuous 'shaming' and an excuse to hurl abuse.The Labour Party frequently use this tactic - which is why you see so many quotes taken out of context in the press. Keir Starmer made a fuss when it happened to him - despite his own party doing this on a daily basis.

Livingtothefull
Your post was deleted before I could read it. If you do have a disabled child I am sorry for that but I still think your outrage at my post was opportunistic and out of proportion in the context. Earlier in the thread you called me a 'loon' out of the blue - I doubt that people with mental health problems/mental impairment appreciate the use of words like that. I also notice that you used the phrase 'human dregs' even if it was in the context of Jimmy Savile.

Wolfgirrl
You dismissed charity work/Children in Need with;
'Doing what?'

CathyorClaire
Riding for the disabled (including children) do indeed ask for volunteers from the ages of 12,13,14;

"Barrow Farm is a specialist centre offering riding and driving to 120 disabled children and adults. Many of our riders have severe and complex needs, including life limiting conditions. Some of our riders need 3 supporters to help them enjoy their ride so we have over 100 volunteers who work with us every week and new team members are always welcome."

"You don't need to be knowledgeable about horses, although it can be useful! It is good if you are interested in children and not afraid of horses! You can help for anything from one hour a week to several days. We prefer for the volunteers to come regularly at the same time each week. Age range of our current volunteers is 13 up to 70's, you should be reasonably fit but will get fitter working with us!"

www.volunteeressex.org/opportunities/help-with-horse-riding-for-the-disabled-4093/

Duke of Edinburgh Award volunteering ideas;

"RDA Volunteer: Support individuals with a disability to take part in riding, carriage driving or vaulting at your local RDA group. 12+"

www.dofe.org/thelatest/volunteering-ideas/

definitelygc
Implausible anecdotes let the side down I'm afraid.

MsTSwift · 02/04/2020 10:30

Not blown away by the charitable endeavours tbh. I am sure that many of us if given limitless wealth and endless free time with no need to support ourselves or our families would be marvellous charity workers.

TheSandman · 02/04/2020 10:32

dairyfairies
My innocuous post was taken out of context. It is a common tactic on MN - disingenuous 'shaming' and an excuse to hurl abuse.The Labour Party frequently use this tactic - which is why you see so many quotes taken out of context in the press. Keir Starmer made a fuss when it happened to him - despite his own party doing this on a daily basis.

No it wasn't. This IS the context. This thread. It wasn't posted elsewhere. Here! I just scrolled back and there it is. But somehow this is all the Labour parties fault? Well I guess it makes a change from it being the Irish President's, or Cuba's or Momentum's or any of the other....

...wait...

...why am I arguing with a faulty AI?

This Turing test is over.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/04/2020 10:41

My innocuous post was taken out of context. It is a common tactic on MN

So is endlessly claiming that posts have been misunderstood, taken out of context, etc. We all get it wrong sometimes, but happily most are capable of expressing what they mean the first time ... and then taking responsibility for it

I think Andrew's interview was an uncensored demonstration of their attitude. It wasnt the fact he was dismissive of the claims made against him, it was the fact the human impact of the world he got himself caught up in didnt even register with him

Accurately put, Wolfgirrl. As so often, it's not about each little detail but the overall principle of the thing - and IMO the principle stinks

dairyfairies · 02/04/2020 11:23

My innocuous post was taken out of context. It is a common tactic on MN

Biscuit
CathyorClaire · 02/04/2020 11:24

My innocuous post was taken out of context. It is a common tactic on MN

A bit like quoting half a sentence to change the meaning.

Going back to Andrew's interview - he was reported to have believed it went well immediately afterwards. Absolutely deluded. He looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights even in the trailer.

dairyfairies · 02/04/2020 11:32

innocuous post

Really, I think you need to look up innocuous!