Our human rights have been taken away

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I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

Unlike people in sime other countries, there's a 99.999% chance you'll get your 'human rights' back over the next six months. If you don't, thats the time to protest, not when we're still in the middle of a crisis. That's selfish and causing more problems for the sake of it.

Sorry, uncanny timing. Got distracted by an ambulance doing a pick up four doors down.

? A discussion is causing problems ??

@OldQueen1969 Thanks for such an excellent and reasoned post. Sums it up for me. The sense of insecurity for some of us has probably been heightened by governments flip-flopping over what action should be taken. One day it's herd immunity, the next it's lockdown. Cheltenham-fine. Fishing alone on a riverbank-not fine at all. It comes across as clueless, and that's deeply worrying. I'm one of those who does take a look at what's happening in the rest of the world. Cyprus has just today brought in new restrictions that limit non-essential workers to leaving their home only once a day. They have to phone a special number and wait for an SMS text message giving them permission to leave home. Reading stuff like that, you realise that the noose can tighten even further

It depends what the purpose of that discussion is doesn't it!

It depends what the purpose of that discussion is doesn't it!

To cause a revolution. Damn you got us!

I keep wanting to say, can we not apply some common sense here? Things that put people in close contact with each other - risky. Walking your dog nowhere near anyone else - not risky. Wandering around a field that's right next to your house with not a single person in sight - technically against the rules if more than once per day, but not risky at all, so why would someone doing that be shouted at? It's like people aren't thinking through the reasons for the rules and extrapolating from there at all, they're just going THESE ARE THE RULES I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY BUT THEY'RE MAGIC AND IF YOU DISOBEY YOU ARE A DEMON SENT TO KILL US ALL.

Like, come on. Really?

If the Cyprus measure happens here I will defy it

Same with the stuff about shopping. Easter eggs are already in the shops, as are other "non essential" foods. If nobody buys them they will just get thrown away. If you're there anyway, why shouldn't you buy them? How did "no non essential trips" morph into "no non essential foods"?

I am complying with the UK stipulations

Kittens because people really really fear the "stupid" and the "delinquent "

A lot of people don't seem to understand that questioning something doesn't equate to refusing to follow the rules or accepting and and understanding why it's happening.

Very well said @PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock

It’s slightly scary how quickly some people seem to have forgotten that it is ok to question the government and even disagree with them. No one on this group is suggesting even flouting the lockdown but if nothing else it’s good mind training to ensure we never sleepwalk into a situation where our freedoms are irreversibly damaged

It's become the new people on benefits with a flat screen telly and a goat, the disabled with "a bad back" and the immigrants taking all the houses and jobs and being on benefits at the same time.

We are being asked to stay at home so that the vast majority get to live, so you can carry on living.

@eeyore228 the whole point of this thread is that we are being told not asked

Like what sodding difference will it make if someone is in a supermarket touching things and breathing air potentially containing droplets anyway if they buy and consume chocolate in festive seasonal form? Is it more dangerous when egg shaped somehow? How did "avoid other people because coronavirus is contagious" translate to "avoid being outdoors even if there are no other people living within several miles because going outside is dangerous because"...I don't even know at this point. People are the potential danger because you could get the virus from them, or give it to them. "Outside" in and of itself is not.

I should probably step away from the computer before I get any more irritated.

The thing is, if you understand why it's happening then you must also understand it's currently proportionate! I'm personally not going to question something that is proportionate in the middle of a crisis. If I see it over time become unproportionate, I'll be dragging them to hell. That time is not now. See Hungary for an example of a concerning unproportionate measure at this time

Human Rights Act Right to Life
Article 2: Right to life. 1. Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law

And that includes every poor bugger lying in a hospital bed right now, and all the many thousands that will follow him or her.

Yet another person who thinks that "right to life" means "the right to be kept alive medically" and not "the right not to be killed".

1000's are dying and you're worried about how restrictions impacts on your human rights - wow.

Not just mine, see below.

Some may call my responses a pile on & unnecessary but 🤷‍♀️ read up on what's going on outside of your living room !

I have done. That's why I'm deeply concerned about the removal of safeguards for some of the most vulnerable in our society, namely people needing social care and mentally-ill people at risk of being sectioned. You're writing as though everyone is able-bodied, able-minded, and mentally-healthy, well I've got some news for you, we're not! Having to stay in my home, I'm not that bothered about personally. I fear for others. I fear for women in violent relationships who are now forced into 24/7 contact with their abusers. I fear for children molested by step-fathers who no longer have the respite of being at school. I fear for the mentally-ill who risk being sectioned by a single overworked doctor who may be working outside his/her specialism because the safeguarding requirement for two doctors to sign off on sectioning a patient has been suspended. I fear for people whose social care needs change but now might not be reassessed because the duty on LAs to carry out care assessments has been removed.

You lot are seriously privileged and blinkered if you can't see this.

If the police could be persuaded to stop acting like petty little tyrants that might help with maintaining public goodwill and willingness to comply. If people keep being told that they aren't allowed to do things that there's no logical virus containment reason for then they are going to start to doubt the things that they're being told that actually do have a basis in virus containment. So in that sense the stupidity of the police is putting everyone at risk.

Not all human rights. Just limited some to deal with this emergency. It is not a blank cheque for government to do all it likes. You could still go to court to challenge a particular action if you felt it necessary. The media can still hold the government to account.

So, not great, but not terrible, OP.

I agree there's no need for people to not go out for a walk in a rural place or buy an easter egg, and other petty things. They've tried to keep the message simple so it gets through to everyone, but that does leave no room for common sense among those that have it.

People here talk about critical thinking and its role in a modern democratic society but there seems to me to be quite a lack of critical thinking at the moment here.

It is an extraordinary situation and we are working as a society to protect everyone, starting with the most vulnerable. In order to do that as quickly as possible, we focus on doing rather the rules. Human rights issues exist ina legal sense as well as a physical reality but we know that often there is a conflict in the physical realm (male vs female rights, etc). We cannot live by a framework designed for non emergency times when there is no obstacle to the daily flow of life at a time when there is but a democratic country is one that recognises the short term needs that need to be met in order to uphold the longer term goals.

Critical thinking here, to my mind, would be along the lines of challenging those who criticise major initiatives for example, the media who keep pushing certain narratives (lack of PPE, etc).

What does it help us to know this, now? We know the NHS is overstretched. what practical solutions are disappearing under the guise of criticism? That is what I always ask.

The thing is I'm not discussing this with no experience. It might seem that I'm talking out of my ass but I'm not. I'm talking from experience. From being born and raised (in part) under a totalitarian regime. Where what you did ,said,joked about, said on the phone , who you met with ,when ,why ,who you were related to etc meant you could lose your job, be refused to marry, lose your freedom,your life, disappear in the night, get beaten. And the after effects of it, a paranoid father that thought everyone was out to get him and a mother scared of ever questioning anything or standing out, both afraid of what people might say or think about them.My parents still lived following certain rules and conditions even long after it was all over.

"Our right to be unhappy about the restrictions of our freedoms" It feels like sitting in a lifeboat and listening to someone complain that the seats are too hard.

And I really think people need to lay off the police. I cannot believe key workers are under attack. They are people first, then there is their job.

"please share exactly what human right has been removed?

The right to freedom.
The right to work.
The right to gather for community activities.
Freedom from interference with privacy.
The right to free movement.
Right to participate in the cultural life of the community.
The right to gather for peaceful protests."

- all of 'em.

It's really not the government removing these rights, it's the virus. Because if we continue to behave in the normal way, the virus will likely cause deaths on a scale not seen for at least a century. I see threads like this, people complaining about the loss of their comfortable lives & detrimental effect on their MH, & I think of people in the third world. How they are coping, and how their governments will manage the issue. And I'm bloody glad I live in the UK, & not, for example, India. Where 5 year olds, & 90 year olds, are being forced to walk hundreds of miles home, on unlit roads, with what little food they could scrape together after lockdown was suddenly imposed. I wonder who will consider their mental health.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-india-52093574/coronavirus-huge-crowds-as-india-lockdown-sparks-mass-migration

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-52086274