Our human rights have been taken away

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I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

Whole-scale change that is..

I've found the "yeah well it will just be old people who die" stuff rather frightening. Barring personal tragedy we will all one day be in that category, so it's been alarming to see how many people consider those over a certain age to be expendable.

marsha and more ICU beds and ventilators of course!

Lord give me strength

Definitely!

If it happened again it’d interesting to see what would happen with borders

Having put plans in place in response to SARS clearly helped bring the spread under control for South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc. Hopefully as a result of this the countries that didn't do serious epidemic planning then will now do so.

puzzle I am not sure you will find any support for that if people were able to reflect on what that would mean in reality. It was a flippant comment coming from feeling frustrated I imagine.

I have had the thought:

If they care so much about people's lives,

Why have the U.K let so many people live in starvation, poverty, and left so many homeless people dying in the streets?

They could have easily dedicated money to homeless people. So that every human being had a roof over their head, and enough food. There WAS money for this.

Why do they all of a sudden care about lives now.

I was in Liverpool last year, and it had hundreds of homeless people, just around the city centre. I sat and talked on one girl, who honestly looked near death.

They haven't cared about many people's lives for a long time

Panic buying should have been cracked down on as soon as it started.

Instead we had 2 weeks of people cramming into supermarkets all together and other people having to put themselves at higher risk with more frequent shopping trips because they couldn't find basics.

And the pathetic response from Johnson to 'be more considerate'.

That is why, I question what they are doing now

@Princess. Yes you need to see my daughter in full PPE. Full gown, face mask and face shield. It really is 'charming' I must say.

To be fair pandemics have not been a part of our lives up until now, the idea of a killer virus lived mainly in films and movies. Although the warnings were there, that could also be said for swine flu and bird flu etc. It will be interesting to see how much investment this area now attracts. Breakthroughs for vaccines will win universal recognition and status in the future.

If OP can't make it about her then you can't make it about you.

More ICU beds for sure - or at least a solid way to get hold of more, quickly.

The government might not have been expected to predict a pandemic would be respiratory (though actually, my understanding is that is the most likely type of illness to 'go pandemic') but they could and should have been planning for any type of pandemic to be coming. Virologists have been predicting it for years.

It makes me wonder what else they are not planning for, that the should be...

I support what this government is doing, considering our circumstances. I am not saying it is this specific government's fault. I am saying all past governments play a role in where we are right now and future governments should attempt to learn from it and do things differently.

Again, one of the 'advantages' Taiwan and Singapore has is they have seen an epidemic like this before and learned, the very hard way, how best to be prepared for next time. They were not caught napping this time and we never should be again.

And just maybe this pandemic will be the start of real change amy I am an optimist, and there will be some good things that come out of this.

@grindergirl

"2 kms is an arbitrary figure plucked from thin air and the reasoning behind it should be questioned rather than meekly accepted".

I agree. That we can only walk 2km from our house, is an arbitrary figure plucked out of nowhere, in Ireland

@Amymayapple. On that I can agree with you. It's funny how money can be found for lots of things now that wasn't available earlier. And I know it's all about balance but people living on the streets or people spending 24 hours plus on a trolley in a corridor is the wrong side of the scales.

My mum died recently. in her 90s with dementia. She spent 24 hours on a trolley in A&E and that was at a time before corona really hit. Can't fault the care she got on the ward, nor could I imagine criticising the A& E staff - they work with what they've got. But what they and councils etc have is usually not enough.

If we can find it now, we can find SOME of it in future. Totally agree.

One thing I'd really like to see come out of this is a greater general appreciation for the mostly working class jobs that keep society's infrastructure functioning like supermarket workers, hospital cleaners and orderlies, those moving goods from one place to another, etc.

The issue is it is not just "old people" who will die.

My best friend who's in their early twenties with a young child has been told they cant leave the house for 3 months, their doctor even called them to really press home the importance due to how high risk they are (compromised immune system since childhood, healthy I'm every other way). They worked full time up until this but unfortunately have.experoenced a string of illness (due to the school not making them aware of children coming in with scarlet fever amoung other illnesses) which has resulted in current chest infection.
Their DP has had to move out they are at such high risk.
You cannot tell me that it's only the elderly at risk. Because healthy people are dying every day. Young people with health issues who would otherwise live long fulfilling lives contributing to society are at risk of or already have died.

@cornishdreams1 I agree. I think that it will cause real positive change in the future.

That we see that we are all connected, and that we will all care about each other a bit more.

I feel it coming

Do those who are saying we've lost our human rights

Do you know you're on your own in hospital with corona? Do you know you'd die on your own with corona? Do you know only 5 or so people can come to your funeral? That you won't have a grave site? Your going to be mass buried? Or that if it's a choice between your 75 yr old mother. And a healthy 30 yr old man. And one ventilator. Youre ok with that? Because you want to be outside more?

Now imagine all of that as one of your parents. Or your child

Now tell me you don't want to listen to the government.

Me too Prodigal, the idea that essential is valued.

It's not only the elderly at risk. It is mostly the elderly who people are very specifically saying that they're going to die soon anyway so oh well, though.

Again, the OPs last thread created some strong feelings which have now moved over to this one.

To be fair pandemics have not been a part of our lives up until now, the idea of a killer virus lived mainly in films and movies.

For every day people, but governments across the world have been receiving serious, academic warnings of the risk.

Only last summer the Global Preparedness Monitoring Board published a global report warning...

"There is a very real threat of a rapidly moving, highly lethal pandemic of a respiratory pathogen killing 50 to 80 million people and wiping out nearly 5% of the world’s economy.

A global pandemic on that scale would be catastrophic, creating widespread havoc, instability and insecurity. The world is not prepared."

This wasn't new. A report the year before was published by the International Working Group on Financing Preparedness that also warned of the risk and lack of preparedness of most countries. It said, quite clearly in the opening statement that a global pandemic was a question of when, not if.

There are more...

@LondonJax I send you a hug about your mum. It is horrible to see sick elderly relatives left for hours and hours in bad conditions in hospitals, (pre corona). I have also seen this