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Our human rights have been taken away

999 replies

Soph7777 · 29/03/2020 23:40

I know it's for a good cause.

I know it's to save lives.

But our basic human rights have been taken from under us, in the short space of a week.

I find this part most of all the scariest.

I'm really struggling mentally with government control to this extent.

How long can this last before people lose their minds and rebel?

OP posts:
bunnie1234 · 30/03/2020 07:13

You know what I just signed up, and I'm about to delete my account. Whoever said this was the nastiest forum on the internet was totally right. What is wrong with you people.

borntobequiet · 30/03/2020 07:13

No
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1

RJnomore1 · 30/03/2020 07:16

Soph is right. We have lost our right to movement and to assembly.

And if you believed this thread, out right to freedom of thinking.

We need to be critical about this. It’s being done for public health but we need to not lose sight of it happening.

And yes Italy is starting to build to civil unrest, particularly the poorer areas in the south.

This is a bad thing for people. A world where police stop and ask why you are out of your home is not a good thing, on the balance of risk at present it’s the best thing for us but let’s not pretend it’s natural or that with our human history of how and why stats have usually controlled their population like that they’re is no reason for us not to be uncomfortable with it.

And let’s not belittle people who struggle with it.

RJnomore1 · 30/03/2020 07:16

States, their 🙄

NuclearWinter · 30/03/2020 07:17

Not trying to be a dick @bunny1234 but I genuinely didn't understand what your post was meant to mean

bunnie1234 · 30/03/2020 07:18

Hey, @PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock , do you realize that your forefathers DIED for your freedom? And that you can't put a price on Freedom? Jeez all you people are IDIOTS and will end up being slaves.

I'm getting off this nasty forum..

Sorry @Soph7777....

pictish · 30/03/2020 07:18

RJ - quite.

StapleMyBananas · 30/03/2020 07:19

It's a far more heroic action for someone to struggle with the new rules but follow them anyway than for someone who finds it easy to just 'suck it up' to do so.

Well done OP. One day at a time xx

bunnie1234 · 30/03/2020 07:20

@yatapina Yeah that's how all of the totalitarian regimes start, is for a "good cause". . . don't be a blind follower.

YES, GO WATCH ALEX JONES

IamAporcupine · 30/03/2020 07:21

It is ridiculous that so many people on this thread think that someone who is complying with the current situation but questioning the removal of rights and voicing anxiety at this, is whinging and deserves being spoken to like utter crap. Also, that questioning things means that a person is not concerned about those who are dying, or won’t comply. That’s not even remotely what is bring said.

^^This!

I've said it before but I will say it again - people are misplacing their anger - one of the reasons we have to go through this is because of years and years of an underfunded health system.
I haven't left my house in days, and I am happy to do as much as I can, but I still think that is a disgrace that some of our rights are removed because of that. This should not be happening in an allegedly 1st world country.

People are worryingly acting like sheep and attacking any discrepant view while shouting FOLLOW THE RULES!

MarginalGain · 30/03/2020 07:22

People are worryingly acting like sheep and attacking any discrepant view while shouting FOLLOW THE RULES!

Which is weird, because Before Corona (BC) MN thought that Cummings and Johnson were exceptionally dangerous.

Now they're falling over each other to castigate anyone who steps outside of their 'four reasons you can leave your house' edict. It's astonishing.

NuclearWinter · 30/03/2020 07:25

Absolutely @Iamaporcupine.

The way people on here are holding everyone who is struggling up as some kind of villain is despicable. They are not the enemy.

Years and years of underfunding that some people will have deliberately voted for means we now don't have the number of ICU beds and ventilators that other countries have - in fact we're quite a way down the list. THAT is what's going mean people die. Hold those responsible for this to account, not someone who finds isolation hard and wants to try and ease that pain online.

NuclearWinter · 30/03/2020 07:26

Now they're falling over each other to castigate anyone who steps outside of their 'four reasons you can leave your house' edict

Which is astonishing because there are 13 reasons. An under appreciated element of the new regime.

Pulppixies · 30/03/2020 07:30

If anyone thinks Boris won’t give us our rights back then They are idiots. He didn’t want to do this in the first place and certainly not now. He was pressured by the public and a huge amount of posters in here wanted it.

CalleighDoodle · 30/03/2020 07:31

@bunnie1234 I had actually assumed the person who said this was the nastiest forum on the internet was you, after a very, very similar name-change...

Also, someone saying mumsnet is the nastiest forum on the internet is so beyond being naive it is ridiculous. Like they've never been anywhere else. Theres a lot of disgusting pits on the internet.

The right to life is the most important right. Measures are put in place because lots of people dont get that, yes they might be ok and want to risk it but actually theyre risking it largley knowing theyll be ok, but that could take anyway another person’s right to life.

Women's rights have long been under attack. Why were none of you angry about that?! Why is your right to go to the pub a more important cause than the fight women were enduring long before cv?!

SunshineCake · 30/03/2020 07:31

I hope people who rebel are obvious to the medics so they can give the ventilators to the patients who followed the rules since they are already rationing the equipment to give to those with the best chance of survival. I don't care what the government does in its effort to save as many of us as possible.

IamAporcupine · 30/03/2020 07:38

I find it somehow interesting from a sociological point of view.
If you think about it - how has the government managed to make us believe that it is our responsibility. Not only that, but people are turning against each other, you can see it here. I find that very worrying.

And before anyone jumps at me - of course it is my responsibility as a fellow human being to do as much as I can to prevent the death of vulnerable, but the reason PEOPLE WILL DIE (as they like to shout around here) is not the extra walk in the countryside................

Lindy2 · 30/03/2020 07:39

The lockdown rules are to keep people alive.

I'm following them because I want to and I want me and my family to survive. I think most people with any intelligence can work that out.

Go ahead and rebel if you like. See how that works out for you and your family in terms of catching Coronavirus at the peak.

CatteStreet · 30/03/2020 07:42

Young, fit people can and do die of flu/its complications (the swine flu epidemic was a particularly sobering instance of that, but there are a few deaths in this category from seasonal flu every year). Currently, in this group of the population, deaths from coronavirus/its complications, although still very low overall, are higher than those from seasonal flu (and obviously higher in the population overall).

cornishdreams1 · 30/03/2020 07:43

Its okay to struggle, its okay to think you have had enough, it normal to feel worry and fear over your human rights or your health and everything else, its even okay to want something big to happen to release you from this awful experience (such as a riot or anything else you can think of)

You are yet to reach the acceptance part of this experience thats all, the part where you say this is it folks, this is my life for a little while. It is shit, its suffocating and its unfair, but it is what it is.

If I DONT stay at home and follow the restrictions, then many tens of thousands will die because of me and others like me.
Is it fair that through my own action the nurses, doctors and patients will be so overwhelmed even the extra morgues that are opened won't be enough? That the suffering of those in hospital will be so intense, so painful, and so terrifying because we could not look after them all. The lonely and painful ending of so many lives without a doctor to even hold their hand or a phone to say goodbye will haunt us all.

Your human rights are important, but what about those poor souls battling out the coronavirus as they drown in their own fluid? What about their right for a chance of survival? A chance to recover? A chance of a clean and staffed hospital to care for them in their hour of need? A chance to see their loved ones again?

Your human rights will be restored in full when this is all over I assure you.

I suggest you look over and above your own discomfort, and imagine just for a minute the immense distress playing out in our hospitals over the whole country right at this very minute. Do you really want to join them? Your parents? Those that you cherish suffering, just so you could break a few temporary rules?

Standrewsschool · 30/03/2020 07:43

I think there would be more public disorder if no action had been taken, and the death toll increased greater than they are already.

midgebabe · 30/03/2020 07:43

The trouble is for many people that extra walk in the countryside was a mass ramble up snowdon where even on a normal sunny weekend social distancing is not possible . I have seen people queuing to get to the summit cairn

They tried simple guidance...keep your distance....and people broke it

And it's much easier to say, and police, no , than to have conditional allowances

CatteStreet · 30/03/2020 07:44

'I hope people who rebel are obvious to the medics so they can give the ventilators to the patients who followed the rules'

^^This sort of comment is profoundly disturbing.

midgebabe · 30/03/2020 07:44

Hear hear Cornish

Tiari · 30/03/2020 07:45

People were already dying.
Cutbacks on NHS, pensioners not having enough money to buy both food AND heating, barbaric PIP regime that ill and disabled can't cope with.
All while Boris et al and most of the public look the other way .