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Until June?!

328 replies

Woman31 · 29/03/2020 12:19

Iv read today that these strict rules will be in place until June.

I’m going to go insane before then. How are people going to manage? Surely it can’t be that long? China didn’t take that long ?

My anxiety is so bloody high 😩

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Pishposhpashy · 31/03/2020 11:25

I wouldnt go so far as saying "suck it up", but there needs to be an increase in resilience.

So if I was a mum presenting with postpartum psychosis right now, would you tell me that all I needed to do is increase my resilience?

That's what psychologists try to do

Psychologists don't treat severe mental health problems. Psychiatrists do. You know, doctors.

Pishposhpashy · 31/03/2020 11:26

The brain isnt broken with mental health

I'm afraid that, often, yes it is.

PrimeroseHillAnnie · 31/03/2020 11:32

You will have to cope because you have no choice. There is no alternative.

TabbyMumz · 31/03/2020 11:35

"I wouldnt go so far as saying "suck it up", but there needs to be an increase in resilience."

"So if I was a mum presenting with postpartum psychosis right now, would you tell me that all I needed to do is increase my resilience?"
I wouldnt tell you anything because I'm not a Doctor. You are talking about an individual case here, and I was talking generally. Generally we all need to increase our resilience.

TabbyMumz · 31/03/2020 11:36

"The brain isnt broken with mental health"

"I'm afraid that, often, yes it is"

Not like in brain injury it's not.

Pishposhpashy · 31/03/2020 12:12

Not like in brain injury it's not.

In certain cases, yes it is.

TabbyMumz · 31/03/2020 12:40

So, are you saying that if you did an mRI of someone's brain who has depression or anxiety, you'd see it on the scan? Are you saying they lose their memory, or ability to walk, or talk, or get confusion and dont know how to make a cup of tea, or how to make their lunch? Or lose the ability to read or write, or hold their urine in?
I think not.

Pishposhpashy · 31/03/2020 12:51

So, are you saying that if you did an mRI of someone's brain who has depression or anxiety, you'd see it on the scan? Are you saying they lose their memory, or ability to walk, or talk, or get confusion and dont know how to make a cup of tea, or how to make their lunch? Or lose the ability to read or write, or hold their urine in?
I think not.

Um actually yes, to all the above. A quick google would have told you as much.

Christ there is a shocking lack of awareness around mental health in this country. I swear most people think that it's nothing a nice cup of tea and a chat won't sort out. Why do you think people are sectioned?

TabbyMumz · 31/03/2020 14:37

I think you are talking about rare extreme cases if they are as bad as people who've had a brain injury. I'm talking in general about depression, stress or anxiety.

Pishposhpashy · 31/03/2020 15:15

I'm talking in general about depression, stress or anxiety.

Yes, all of which have varying levels of severity from mild to severe.

Mascotte · 31/03/2020 15:26

@TabbyMumz I work in mental health and your hypothesis is rubbish.

Mental health is not easier to fix than physical health, in fact often it’s quite the opposite.

And if you want to put it so crudely then yes, exactly, the brain is broken. Your posts are simply ignorant and dismissive.

I can see why the stigma remains.

Mascotte · 31/03/2020 15:28

And @TabbyMumz it’s a shame my sister didn’t realise how easily fixed it is or she might not have killed herself.

Pishposhpashy · 31/03/2020 15:29

Mascotte

Flowers

So sorry people are so ignorant.

Mascotte · 31/03/2020 15:39

Thanks @Pishposhpashy. I don’t usually say that but the level of stupidity and lack of understanding is rife, it appears. Those campaigns have been a total waste of money it seems.

LondonJax · 31/03/2020 16:23

Wuhan went into lockdown on 23rd January and have just come out of it. Which makes it about 9 weeks I think??

We went into lockdown of sorts on 23rd March so 9 weeks takes us until end of May/start of June.

I know a lot of people compare how we coped during the war and give opinions on how people just need to be more resilient like people were back then. Or were they. My mum was a child during the way and a late teenager when it ended. She was left with life long claustrophobia because she spent nights sleeping in the underground stations with bombs dropping round her. She hated confined spaces after that. One of my aunts suffered agoraphobia dating from the same time. She'd shake if she found herself in places where she couldn't 'escape' - which could be outside with nowhere to get away from people or could be in difficult situations. Another aunt had a nervous breakdown because of the bombs and never really recovered fully. MH issues were around then and scarred people for years, if not for life. The face showed resilience but the mind didn't. That's what was expected. It didn't make it right.

I had a teacher who would dive under the desk if he heard a loud bang, like a door shutting or car backfiring. He'd been taken prisoner by the Japanese during the Burma campaign.

The point is that MH is fluid. We all have our tipping point. My aunts spent the same time on the underground platforms as my mum. None of them had claustrophobia. So why did she? Why did my aunt have a nervous breakdown but my mum didn't? Different tipping points and different reactions to those tipping points.

My DS's main worry, along with his friends, is that they will miss their transition week in July. They're concerned that they won't know where to go or what to do. Personally I'm glad that's their only worry. They are 13 years old - that should be their only worry. But other friends are concerned for family - what if their parents die? What makes one child think one thing and another think differently? Different tipping points. My son's not callous, his friend isn't overly worried usually. It's just their way of trying to process everything.

I think we all need to acknowledge those tipping points. Yes, we are all going through the same things to a lesser or greater degree at the moment. Some find it a challenge to track down milk or bread - they see it as a problem to be solved. Others just can't cope with the intensity of it all. Neither is right or wrong - just different.

It's those people who find it hard to cope that need the help and the biggest help is to listen, to acknowledge that it is important to them. You can't do that if you shut them down. That's what happened to my aunts, my mum and my teacher and they were the ones to carry that 'shut down' with them for their lifetime.

Even if you can't offer a solution, showing a bit of empathy and encouraging the conversation can help a lot.

TabbyMumz · 31/03/2020 17:49

"@TabbyMumzI work in mental health and your hypothesis is rubbish."

I havent made any hypothesis.

"Mental health is not easier to fix than physical health, in fact often it’s quite the opposite."

I didnt say it was. I said you couldnt really compare it to broken bones.

"And if you want to put it so crudely then yes, exactly, the brain is broken."

Only in extreme rare cases could you say that, and I'm thinking the cases where people are sectioned and such like. Mostly, you cant compare general cases of stress or depression with brain injury. Brain injury is a life changer and a killer. You could lose your speech, your eyesight, get dizziness, lose the use of your limbs, get confusion, forget how to read or write...or how to get dressed, you could be completely written off as a person, lose your personality...I could go on. You just cant compare that to a lot of cases with mediate to light depression. To do so would be disingenuous.

"Your posts are simply ignorant and dismissive"

So are yours of brain injury.

TabbyMumz · 31/03/2020 17:51

"And@TabbyMumzit’s a shame my sister didn’t realise how easily fixed it is or she might not have killed herself."
I didnt say anywhere it was easily fixed.

Pishposhpashy · 31/03/2020 17:58

You just cant compare that to a lot of cases with mediate to light depression

No one did that.

TabbyMumz · 31/03/2020 18:04

Yes you did Pish.

Lucianation · 31/03/2020 18:17

It’s easy for people isolating with their children, partners, etc with gardens and cars and company to say we should all stop morning and consider how lucky we are. What about those of us who live alone? Ever actually tried going two weeks without seeing a single other person? What about single parents holed up in a flat or a b&b with no garden and no money or adult support? Elderly people with no support who can’t use the internet? Mentally ill people that rely on a support network. The levels of smugness and snide comments coming from the privileged majority on here is appalling. Stop assuming everyone has access to the same luxuries you do and try and have some empathy for those that are struggling for very genuine reasons?

Pishposhpashy · 31/03/2020 18:30

No I did not. You said that mental health issues are not comparable to brain injury and I said yes, sometimes they are.

Ordree · 31/03/2020 19:09

"And@TabbyMumzit’s a shame my sister didn’t realise how easily fixed it is or she might not have killed herself."
I didnt say anywhere it was easily fixed.

Do you or think it would have gone amiss to offer some sympathy to someone who died of a condition you have dismissed. Oh no I suppose you're just too fucking resilient for that aren't you?

Waiting1987 · 31/03/2020 19:24

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Hippofrog · 31/03/2020 21:02

Is horrific but we must remember why we are staying home. A 13 yr old child has died today and we must protect people.

Pishposhpashy · 31/03/2020 21:09

Everyone on this thread is staying home and following the guidelines.