Stricter lockdown coming?

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news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-30-million-households-to-receive-letter-from-pm-warning-things-will-get-worse-before-they-get-better-11965131

What might a stricter lockdown look like? Will we get to a point where we can't go out to exercise at all? Or is it more likely we'll only be able to go shopping once a week?

I'm not saying we shouldn't be in lockdown I absolutely think we should but we also need to think about how we support those who were often already psychologically struggling significantly before the onset of a bloody pandemic.

I completely agree with you.

The link posted above about riots in Italy really frightens me.

Many cities, particularly London, are very densely populated with many people living in very small accomocation spaces including very high rise buildings with no balconies or outside space.

There is only so long humans will be able to tolerate a lock down.

If you think of the 2011 London riots (my layman's guess is) that involved two key groups - the initial rioters those reacting to the death of Mark Duggan and racist issues and then later criminal groups and similar to football hooliganism those who to be blunt fancied going rioting. These are small sectors and still the police lost control.

Here you have everyone locked up as it were, many many people kept as if under house arrest. Everyone. If you combine pressure cooker stress of extended lockdown, with fear of inability to eat, earn money have a roof over your head - the prospect of civil unrest is easy to see. But the potential for much larger scale rioting is huge.

You only have to watch what happened in India where a van was overturned by crowds to realise that if there is mass rioting, the police have no chance. There comes a point where the volume of people is no match.

I'm not a normally anxious person at all but the prospect of civil unrest on the horizon really frightens me.

I think we're quite an apathetic bunch really. Nobody rioted about the austerity measures and the austerity deaths. Nobody rioted over Brexit. I think if we deal with the food insecurity that people are facing it would placate the majority.

A poster in Italy has said the reports of rioting are over hyped for sure.

Completely agree re apathy. We won’t riot. We might drink more at home and have an increase in other bad consequences like DV but not rioting.

@SimonJT. I’m currently under the weather thanks to Covid19 so I hope you’ll excuse me from not clarifying that I was referring to domestic animals.
In other words I am suggesting that a tightening up of rules could include everyone being confined to home with no exceptions for dog walking.

but the elderly are suddenly so much more important than everyone else. No they're not. It's just that they're lives are more likely to be lost. As in 20, 30 or even 70 times as likely.

And yes lack of food is the biggest motivator for unrest if we couldn’t get it, but it didn’t get that bad and is improving.

Definitely it is coming. No doubt about it.

@Esspee So how would they organise putting all the dogs to sleep?

Hope you feel better soon.

Lack of food would cause the most unrest and it didn't get that bad

The problem won't be lack of food simply due to low stock levels on shelves, it will be a lack of money to buy food.

I have no idea how our family will buy food in a few weeks time. Our income is now zero without work and we were living week to week just getting by before then.

Government help for self employed can be applied for no earlier than June. The half a million people applying for Universal Credit means a 2 month wait for that.

It is lack of money that will cause most unrest, looting and rioting. Low income working families that weren't claiming benefits are fucked.

Smiley you make a good point, that is very hard

it will be a lack of money to buy food.

Yes - did you see that footage of the couple in Italy where the man was trying to kick in a glass door screaming at the police that their family were starving as they had no food and no money to buy food.

I really shouldn't watch the news.

What about people who live in flats with dogs? Are they meant to just let them crap and wee all over their carpets for weeks on end??

If they did once a week shopping, what happens when you go on your one allocated day and they've run out of what you need, such as baby milk, nappies, gluten-free food (coeliacs) or medicine? I honestly don't know how it could be enforceable...

Yes that was upsetting to watch .

Thanks Marsha I'm not planning to loot Tescos at the moment or riot (hope that's not the way my post came across!) but I can see how people might start feeling very desperate.

We have no riots in Italy. Where are these stories coming from?
As I've said (can't remember if this thread or another) there was a raid on a supermarket in Sicily.
You wonder if these stories are planted by someone wanting to do a bit of agitprop to encourage others to do it.

Simple- almost everyone lives in flats here and many have dogs. You can take them out for their ablutions but not for a walk. You have to take them as near to your block as possible. Because you have to carry ID with your address it's easy to check.

SimonJT. You seem to have an obsession about euthanising animals. I suggested nothing of the sort, just predicted us not being allowed out (even to exercise animals) as a possible tightening of the current restrictions. Please note I am not advocating this, merely suggesting it is a possibility.

Tellit- the guy kicking the window is a self employed businessman who was pissed off because they hadn't filled the cashpoint up.

hat about people who live in flats with dogs? Are they meant to just let them crap and wee all over their carpets for weeks on end??

In Spain etc where they have strict lockdown they can take dogs out to the toilet a certain distance from the house, that's recognised as essential.

I can see the lockdown lasting a lot longer than 3 weeks but not getting any stricter. I think they would have done that by now. They know people are not adhering to the rules, parks and streets still full, gatherings still happening but nothing has been said or done

I work in food retail and today I've seen couples with kids , couples I despair our Marshall's need to say the payer only please for gods sake and also an orange juice and fruit pastilles does not constitute as essential food items the person wasn't even wearing gloves

A form which shows why you're out and about, like in France. Only for food shopping or pharmacy, not exercise.
Shutting of construction sites and other stores that are non essential.

Optimist here. BJ's letter means that the number of deaths and cases of Covid 19 will get worse before they get better, not the severity of the lockdown measures. However, if after another 2 weeks it looks like it's not working, then possibly further enforcement of existing measures will be needed.

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Tellit- the guy kicking the window is a self employed businessman who was pissed off because they hadn't filled the cashpoint up

That's interesting. This is how it's being reported here. Either version could be propaganda I suppose.

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italy-becoming-impatient-with-lockdown-and-social-unrest-is-brewing-11965122

I can foresee the stigma and outrage that would happen if the vulnerable were told told isolate and were still able to get government money to help with loss of income, but others were able to go back to work. There is so much fat shaming already. Can you imagine if people who were overweight, had type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, etc, were told to isolate for 12 weeks while others were working? There'd be cries of fury, that we 'brought it on ourselves' by being so greedy, that there's no way the government should give us any help, that everyone else is having to work while we are lazy etc (As it happens, I am slightly overweight, yes, not in the obese category, but I do happen to have high blood pressure. I still provide a very valued service in my job and don't think I deserve to be on the scrap heap as a result). People would forget that besides no work, those people would also not be socialising, or earning, or much that we might consider 'living'. They would just shame them to the end.