Stricter lockdown coming?

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What might a stricter lockdown look like? Will we get to a point where we can't go out to exercise at all? Or is it more likely we'll only be able to go shopping once a week?

It's been one week.

Not for those of us who are vulnerable it’s not dear. This is week 3.5 for me

Also it would be fine if it was only going to be one week. Or even 3 weeks. Or a month. Or two. But there is no certainty and no known end date. Surely people realise that is half the problem?

Suicide is one of the leading causes of mortality. On average 126 people die from suicide every day, so we'll only know if more people die as a result of the misery caused by lockdowns once we add up all the figures and consider the excess.

I know this because on mumnet the clear consensus is to disregard the deaths of those who are elderly and chronically ill and die of coronavirus, and only consider the excess mortality above comparative years.

@BuzzingButterfly those comments to you are so awful - I really feel for you, lots of us do and I was on another thread which was much less horrible. I really hope you’re ok 💐

I'm hoping that people who live with ill and frail relatives who aren't presently covered by vulnerable guidelines for shielding get included.

I am working and potentially bringing home the virus. By the time I showed symptoms it would be too late.

to extend the lives of people who will in all likelihood die in the next year anyway of other causes.

This is not the case. You are ignorant of the reality of the situation.

@Devlesko

Where are you getting the 250k death figure from? The figures are not published. According to fullfact.org, deaths 2 years ago were circa 1692 in 2081/19. fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-compare-influenza/

I think we will if people don’t stop taking the piss.
I think non essential workplaces should be closed down. I saw a bus yesterday and nobody on it was 2 metres apart they were all sat together and it was busy. Look at the tubes etc.

I’d be happy with an evening curfew but would that just make it busier early evening? I tried a dog walk in my usual quiet spot on Friday at 5 pm and it was rammed. I know a lot of my friends go out early (5am/6am) to exercise as it’s much quieter so I don’t see how stopping that will help. We’d get a rush at 7am...

A piece of paper to day why you are out may work (to deter too many journeys). So I support that with police enforcement.

My Dad is unfortunately one of these who feels he needs to go to Waitrose every day to get his paper. He’s in an at risk group. I try and only go once a week for essentials.

Also it would be fine if it was only going to be one week. Or even 3 weeks. Or a month. Or two. But there is no certainty and no known end date. Surely people realise that is half the problem?

Yes, it's hard. There can be no certainty of what will happen at this stage. We need more information about the virus and to take the pressure off the NHS. What is your alternative solution?

What is your alternative solution?

I haven't got one, sorry am I not allowed to talk about my feelings? Feeling it's hard doesn't mean I am criticising it or saying I have a better idea.

I cannot fathom what excersie had to do with it I really can't

Did I say that? And I'm allowed to point out that this is the only feasible solution at this time, and we all need to manage it as best we can.

In China, if a person in a household tested positive for the virus their home was taped up at the doors from outside do leaving was impossible and food was brought to your home via government sources. If you didn't have the virus one assigned adult per family could leave the house every 3 days for food but their temperature was recorded along the way. No outdoor exercise at all. I know Chinese children (through work online) that haven't left their apartments for almost 10 weeks.

Those are stricter measures.

It's not "just" the elderly or people who were going to die in a year anyway. I'm an otherwise healthy 27 year old with asthma. I could have another 70 years on this planet, but if I catch the virus, that could be it for me. There are millions more like me.

Please do not assume that everyone who dies from this was going to die soon anyway.

And I'm allowed to point out that this is the only feasible solution at this time, and we all need to manage it as best we can.

You certainly can, but I don't see why you felt the need to direct it at me, given that I hadn't indicated I believed anything to the contrary.

I think this people is confusing those in genuine mental distress with those just being a bit noughty because they can't get their hair done.
There is a massive difference and I suspect more of the former than the latter.

@bucketofgin

Week 2 for me as I'm part of the vulnerable group. Would have been sooner but I had a week of putting myself at huge risk in a frontline facing role.

I think when people have to work in a high risk sector and then get to go home to be "safe", they appreciate the lockdown a lot more. The sheer anxiety I felt during those shifts as a vulnerable person was indescribable.

However, I'm in my twenties. I'd like to think my life is worth something. I am not less important than others. I am also not more important than anyone else.

I'd appreciate if people could isolate and distance properly, but I accept most won't. So it's weeks of lockdown for me and just hoping I don't get sick.

I do hope for stricter measures, though. I want to protect those in frontline facing roles as much as possible.

People who are sacrificing their own health for others are absolute heroes. I'm embarrassed more aren't doing more to help them in their jobs and keeping them safe. No me-me-me attitudes. Just selfless.

In Italy or Spain, no exercise outside at all.

I know there are online resources you can access because I've used them.

You are aware that what worked for you in your circumstances won't actually be useful or appropriate for every other human being experiencing mental illness? You're an expert in your own experiences only.

Also, what was it you were saying about "emotional blackmail" earlier? Not so long before your "leave them to rot?" post.

Evidence of postal workers potentially not working please?

@Rocketmam Try and spend a week working in mental health services at the moment. Its absolutely terrible and yes people are suicidal and the combination of isolation, fear and lack of access to a reliable source of food makes that seem like a really viable option right now for some.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be in lockdown I absolutely think we should but we also need to think about how we support those who were often already psychologically struggling significantly before the onset of a bloody pandemic.

For those who mention this in the same sentence as flu - the flu does not demand a 4,000 bed hospital at the Excel centre, the turning over of the Birmingham and Manchester conference centresn and Principality stadium to medical facilities, the setting up of temporary mortuaries and a partial shutdown of the economy

You certainly can, but I don't see why you felt the need to direct it at me, given that I hadn't indicated I believed anything to the contrary.

Fair enough and I wasn't really directing it at you but apologise for quoting you. My feeling is that there are some nasty undercurrents on this thread about physically vulnerable people being "about to die anyway" so who cares if they get the virus. And yes people with mental health issues are indeed also vulnerable and need support, but what if people said the same about them? It's not acceptable to write people off as being worth less. Anyone.

Plus it's delusional to think that we can go on as normal as a society while 500k people die.

You are aware that what worked for you in your circumstances won't actually be useful or appropriate for every other human being experiencing mental illness? You're an expert in your own experiences only.

Yes. I am also aware that it is really only the person with mh who has the power to get better. Not what anyone wants to hear but absolutely true anyway. Medication helps, but chemists are delivering so that shouldn't be a problem.

Pointing out the knock on effects of swamping the NHS isn't meant to be emotional blackmail. There are posters on here seemingly happy to see the elderly perish as long as they personally are not affected. As I put in my post, this affects all of us.

And yes, some people do use suicide as a rather effective tool to shut up others in a discussion. I stand by that having both experienced suicidal thoughts myself, and having a sister who uses suicide as a shield to say/do whatever she wants.