PM says he won't hesitate to get tougher, what could he do??

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Just that really. Ban exercise? Just shopping/work? Curfews? My mind can't comprehend staying indoors for days at a time. I will go mad.

I enjoyed going to the shop last week, it was lovely, if expensive. Very civilised social distancing queue, trolley sanitised, polite bouncer doing a one in one out. I hadn't been for 9days. No tins but everything else.

@cologne4711 It’s selfish as you’re thinking of yourself, and clearly not the shop staff? They are also front line key workers believe it or not, they are heavily exposed to a high footfall of people and are therefore at higher risk of being infected. And then think about how many people they could go on to inadvertently infect, or whether they live with vulnerable people themselves etc.

Someone “picking up their daily paper” is unnecessarily visiting the shop how many times? If they didn’t do that, the overall unique visits to shops would obviously decrease, and obviously lower the risk to staff, and the rest of us.

The government has said essential purchases only. Newspapers aren’t essential, and going for a walk doesn’t mean that you can therefore buy whatever non-essentials you like (what stupid logic!). Going for a walk doesn’t mean you have to set foot inside a shop.

Bonkers, I was anxious before going to Tesco but it was actually well managed and civilised. A lot better than expected. Obviously go as little as possible. Hoping to last 2 weeks now.

@Bonkerz why so terrified?

Front line nhs workers treating virus patientsj can understand that strength of fear but not sure about going to supermarket? If you are in a vulnerable group then can’t someone elS get food in for you?
I have to still go into an office 3 days a week (keyworker).
I’d rather not but I wouldn’t say I’m terrified, and id much rather be in the position of only having to go to the supermarket once every 9 days.

I'm terrified of bringing something home and making my babies poorly. I suffer with anxiety anyway and being home is safe. Going out is scary. I'm a single mum so haven't had face time face contact with another human for 10 days so that's scary anyway. I am in vulnerable group due to my BMI but I don't think that requires me to stay isolated. I haven't had a letter or text anyway!

I have been outside for the first time in a week (and the first time on foot for a fortnight). Traffic felt little different to a normal Sunday. Everywhere there were people walking towards me; most made no effort to keep away. I took to walking across car parks to keep away from the person wandering up the middle of the pavement towards me, 3 times on a 10 minute walk. Families on bicycles whizzing past right next to you.

Went to Asda - first time in a fortnight. Same people aimlessly wandering around up the middle of the aisles.

My DD lives in Paris and says they have to have a letter to go out, are stopped by police, and can only be within 1km of home. I think she said there's a time limit too. Basically they were told "we've asked you to stay in, you are ignoring instructions, so now we are going to make you". It will have to happen here.

You only have to read the many posts on here where everyone feels that they are OK to go out but no-one else should be.

I also think that this period will lead to long-term societal changes in how and where people live, and things like dog ownership. Whether it will evolve or be imposed I have no idea.

Those letters you carry are a bit nonsensical though, aren't they - you just fill them out for yourself as/when needed. Not ideal for anyone who doesnt have a printer or ink though.

I live in France. They aren't nonsensical. They clearly state the reason you have left the house, your address and the time you went out. Makes it quite easy to see if people have been out too long or are too far away from home. You also need to carry ID.

There are different boxes to tick. No options to add your own reasons. You must do this before you leave the house - no filling it in once you see a Gendarme.

If you don't have a printer you can write them out. Electronic versions are not acceptable.

You are expected to use the nearest supermarket.

Exercise is now restricted to within 1km of your home address for one hour a day - and you must be alone

Cycling for leisure is not allowed.

No "just going out for a drive".
No "dropping off cakes to a mate".

If you repeatedly break the rules you can be sentenced to 6 months prison.

It was a lot less restrictive at the beginning, but people took the piss.
The UK are headed for some version of this.

He's warning us that the next level of lockdown is coming soon.

All along they have racheted it up gradually, tightening the screws, doing it in increments.

I'm sure they have it all planned out.

I am struggling with staying at holt but doing it because it's for the best. However I am going out running once a day being careful to avoid others. If that gets banned I will really struggle as that's the only thing keeping me sane.

And I don't give a monkeys if Christmas is cancelled as long as exercise isn't!

@dottiedodah, the point of lockdown isn't to "get rid of the virus ASAP", that's literally impossible now unless we managed to isolate every single case, get them recovered/dead, then ban all travel in and out of this country until every other country gets rid of it.

We will all get it - the point is to spread out the infections so the influx isn't all at once. Don't see how they can do this indefinitely though, the economy collapsing will be a much bigger problem.

Also, as a culture we are more similar to Netherlands/Nordics/Germany than Spain/Italy/France, so I'm convinced we'll have the extreme prison-style lockdown they're having.

*I'm NOT convinced

Agreed Easy.

Elderly people are very likely to love on their own and not have access to the internet. I can't begrudge them their daily walk.

Beijing you give me hope!

Why can't they just focus on the problematic towns/cities?

Where I live the majority are seemingly following the guidelines. The main concern is the shops as it's a bit difficult to keep the 2m rule in the aisles, even with a limit on number of people entering. Generally people are being considerate. Waiting at the end of the aisle until you pass, queuing properly for example.

The shop staff are staying vigilant, too. The streets are very quiet, even in the usually busiest areas.

It's a shame to remove everyone's liberty, because of a minority.

The government has said essential purchases only.

No, they haven’t.

They said “shopping for basic necessities such as food or medicine”. They closed shops which they deemed non essential. They didn’t say no one could buy non essential items when they were shopping in places that are still open. They kept newsagents open. Plus who are you to decide what’s essential for other people? Some people might have no access to news other than the paper. Keeping informed is pretty essential these days I’d say.

They might put a ban on travel into the UK as it looks like flights are still arriving regularly from the hotspots www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/twenty-flights-a-day-still-landing-from-coronavirus-hotspot-america-glqvct0wz

Whilst people who are potentially infected are still arriving in the country it seems like it'll be harder to contain the virus

@MigginsMrs how many people have neither a TV or radio even if they have no way of accessing the internet?

If in the worst case scenario they were only able to access news once or twice a week it would still be less of a risk than daily unnecessary interactions.

There's no problem with buying non-essential items, but the guidance clearly says you should try to shop as infrequently as possible. It's stretching credulity to think that 'as infrequently as possible' could mean once a day to buy a paper.

It's a shame to remove everyone's liberty, because of a minority.

I mean you could say this about the entire lockdown.....

I have a question, i no longer work there but have friends still working there!

1 department in the company is critical to hand sanitizers being made, they have no room for anymore staff! The other department make non essential stuff, so because 1 element of the business is critical they are now saying all staff are critical, all the staff in the non essential department are not happy about it, everyone works closely together and its a struggle to keep the 2 meter rule! So if they bring in tighter lockdown sanctions and stop all non essential jobs, where would that lsave the department that doesnt need go be there?

Oh, things could be much worse! The daily exercise excuses could go and no, dogs are not as important as people.

The reason infections would still go up during lockdown isn't because of people who drove to go for a walk - it's because of 7 million keyworkers still on public transport, working, spreading infections to their kids/partners and supermarkets, which everyone else then shops in. Plus post and parcels. I don't see how lockdown will have much effect when a large chunk of the country still has to mill about as usual.

Is there a suggestion something is coming today? I've not seen any news today.

There's no problem with buying non-essential items, but the guidance clearly says you should try to shop as infrequently as possible. It's stretching credulity to think that 'as infrequently as possible' could mean once a day to buy a paper.

Nicola Sturgeon said “no more than once a day” re the shopping. Whilst I personally don’t find it necessary to shop that frequently, people who do pop out for a walk and a paper are not breaching the First Minister’s direction.

The reason infections would still go up during lockdown isn't because of people who drove to go for a walk - it's because of 7 million keyworkers still on public transport, working, spreading infections to their kids/partners and supermarkets, which everyone else then shops in

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