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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 34

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RosieSunset · 26/03/2020 13:38

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MurrayTheMonk · 27/03/2020 06:41

Sorry about your DP iron.... if it's any consolation mine is also being a colossal twat-in a different way to yours. I can't deal with it at the moment so I'm relieved he will be self isolating from us, elsewhere, for another 4 days.... bad enough being locked in a house but worse with someone who is drastically pissing you off.

groovejet · 27/03/2020 06:41

@Horehound I have got my fingers crossed for your brother.

IronNeonClasp · 27/03/2020 06:44

@Monstercruch - what do you mean?

Jrobhatch29 · 27/03/2020 06:44

Hi i havent commented for a while. Really struggling now. Can someone explain where the goverment are getting this data from? No othee country seems to be seeing this?

Worried About Coronavirus- thread 34
Monstercruch · 27/03/2020 06:57

ironneonclasp

I mean, if you don’t have ‘left’ views you have the wrong views. You see it on here all the time. You say you are a Tory on here and you get crucified. It’s pathetic. Banging on about austerity while not realising that the only reason the Torys can do these measures right now is because they have run the country the right way financially these past ten years. If Labour had been in power, we’d have been fucked as all they want to do is spend, spend, spend.

No doubt I’ll get flamed. I don’t care. People need to actually open their eyes.

TheElementsOfMedical · 27/03/2020 07:04

I didn't realise that being able to count was a 'leftist' thing Hmm

Monstercruch · 27/03/2020 07:12

...and we’re off... so predictable

TheElementsOfMedical · 27/03/2020 07:16

...Yes... never forget who the real victims are in this pandemic... the people on the right... like Trump... because unflattering words on an internet forum are the worst thing...

boatyardblues · 27/03/2020 07:19

Ignore the derailers. Just focus on responding to the sensible comments to keep the thread going. Like throwing a stone in a still pond, the intention is to create ripples and distort the previous clarity of the discussion. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

Horehound · 27/03/2020 07:23

I'm actually quite worried for the USA. Their numbers are so high already and with trump just going along business as usual I think there wil be a much higher number of deaths that could have been prevented :(

CharlieTangoBanana · 27/03/2020 07:33

Do the USA have a plan on how they are going to treat people who get sick with no medical insurance/cover

IronNeonClasp · 27/03/2020 07:38

@Monstercruch It's pointless making it political. Pointless even considering political and economical situations we are where we are. People are dying in their thousands every minute globally.

I spoke to my friend in Philly and she seemed very laid back about the situation. I got the impression that she wasn't nervous about the situation in the slightest or how contagious this disease is.

I don't think Trump has stepped up at all and thousands of people are going to die due to his negligence; misinformation, weak advice from the start and lack of governing and poor leadership.

Sorry - the guy has blood on his hands and BJ has played his part.

Watching Michael J Ryan on Aljazeera who seems to be speaking a lot of sense..

IronNeonClasp · 27/03/2020 07:43

@MurrayTheMonk sorry you have this too. My ex-H and my b/f are both visiting their parents daily. Ex-H over the road and b/f a couple of streets away. My ex is risking exposure to my ex in-laws and me and I just can't bring myself to speak to my b/f. Really is telling.

Does anyone think they'll be a further lockdown? If you do when do you think it might happen? Is it included in the Bill? TIA

RedToothBrush · 27/03/2020 07:43

Do the USA have a plan on how they are going to treat people who get sick with no medical insurance/cover

Yes. Probably.

They bill families for the funeral and if they can't pay they are taken to court. If they can't pay that they end up criminalised. So they can be arrested and put in jail. Jails which are full of covid-19...

Survival of the fittest is ingrained in American culture like the American Dream.

Poverty is a sin and the result of sloth.

The weak are a burden on the country and the public need to take responsibility for themselves rather than the state. Even if this means they die.

The UK prattling on about herd immunity hasn't done any favours as a lot of Americans have now taken the idea as a good one.

If you are rich you will be fine as you have health insurance is the thinking. You've paid so you have a right to a ventilator unlike those who haven't.

The penny has yet to drop that the right to a ventilator doesn't work when you run out of ventilators.

The US is seeing a spat of the very rich buying up ventilators for their own personal use too. Which means there are less for use in hospitals.

American ideology which links health care to employment and personal responsibility is fucked in the head.

Ultra capitalism is linked to eugenics and the US has definitely reached that stage.

Anyone defending it just shows their ideology up.

TheCanterburyWhales · 27/03/2020 07:46

I imagine there are Conservative voters on this thread, I imagine the posters on this thread in other countries might be voters of parties on the right. I imagine there are Americans and Trump voters. There might even be Liberal Democrats! (Who personally speaking I've always been bemused by)

But seeing the blind adoration meted out to the "leader of the free world" (no, not Angela, the orange one) every time he comes under criticism for, well, just being factually wrong, makes me think the adage of the people getting the government they deserve might have a ring of truth.

Nobody "piled on" Zen. Zen said Trump was doing great and had a handle on the situation. Trump is being more irresponsible than the idiots on all of these threads thinking the rules don't apply to them. The sad thing is, it's not going to be him that pays the price.

TheCanterburyWhales · 27/03/2020 07:46

Morning all btw. Brew

MurrayTheMonk · 27/03/2020 07:51

Not yet I don't think. Though there should be imo.
My brother lives in the US. He was at first appalled by the uk's perceived slow response and assumed America would act quicker when it started to scale up there. Now he just wants to come home ( but won't ). He reckons around a third of Americans are taking this seriously whilst the rest are ignoring it, and all the advice. Which is incredible because New York seems to be in such dire trouble.

EveLevine · 27/03/2020 07:54

@picklemewalnuts it is difficult. I have family working there that are finding it upsetting. And it’s going to get worst if people don’t start following the lockdown! There’s been a lot of anti social behaviour locally.

YYF is also preparing to take patients now, so hopefully that will take some of the strain from the Gwent. And hopefully the grange will partially open soon too.

Don’t forget though that there have been cases locally for several weeks - this area had the first case of community transmission in Wales - so we are further along numbers wise than other areas.

RedToothBrush · 27/03/2020 07:57

amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/millions-to-need-food-aid-in-days-as-virus-exposes-uk-supply?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Millions to need food aid in days as virus exposes UK supply
Food charities warn of spiral of hunger unless government intervenes

Millions of people in the UK will need food aid in the coming days, food charities are warning, as the coronavirus outbreak threatens to quickly spiral into a crisis of hunger unless the government acts immediately to reinvent the way we feed ourselves.

In just a few weeks, experts say, the pandemic has exposed the extraordinary fragility of the food system. And they worry whether it will withstand the growing pressures expected in the coming weeks and months.

Supermarket distribution systems, based on “just in time” supply chains, are struggling to cope with a sudden surge in demand since Covid-19 took hold. The most pressing concern is finding a way to feed the country’s most vulnerable and isolated people.

And

Tim Lang, professor of food policy at City University, London, and a former government adviser, said ministers have worked on the assumption that feeding Britain can be left to the market and big retailers. While ministers have been in discussion with supermarket chief executives during the pandemic, Lang argues they are failing to grasp the structural weaknesses in the food system and the scale of food poverty.

“The official line has been that it’s all seamless and would be fine if only stupid consumers would stop panic buying. It is not,” he said. “The just in time system is breaking. Government were only talking to a narrow range of people in industry rather than local authorities and community groups, who know where vulnerable people are.”

Lang added: “Borders are closing, lorries are being slowed down and checked. We only produce 53% of our own food in the UK. It’s a failure of government to plan.”

In normal times, about 30% of calories are eaten outside the home each day, in restaurants, cafes and canteens. The lockdown has significantly increased the amount of food people are eating at home, most of which is sourced from supermarkets.

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Out–of–work Britons have been responding to calls from farmers and food processors to plug the gaps with a new land army, but with the harvest season only weeks off, many labour providers say they are still facing huge shortages. The British Meat Processors Association has also warned that red meat and poultry factories are at risk of serious disruption if, as predicted, up to 20% of their staff go sick or into quarantine.

picklemewalnuts · 27/03/2020 08:07

What's also being exposed is the vulnerability of a lot of people, and what they rely on to get by.

It's very early days, and people are popping up who have no back up at all, or only one person. If that one person becomes ill, they are in trouble.

RedToothBrush · 27/03/2020 08:11

Whole article about food security is important

picklemewalnuts · 27/03/2020 08:12

Thanks@EveLevine
Is YYF the modern hospital up in the valleys north of Newport somewhere?

I went somewhere like that with my father when he was ill. Lovely place. Great wide corridors... which now look like a fine, sensible idea!

I find it upsetting that it's distressing for staff not directly involved in the Covid wards. Worrying. We had lovely care in the Gwent, but the site is a dive! And couldn't cope with the numbers needing urgent care three years ago, let alone now.

juneybean · 27/03/2020 08:13

Did anyone else watch Contagion last night? Hit a bit too close to home! Shock

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 27/03/2020 08:14

Millions to need food aid in days as virus exposes UK supply

Food supply is really worrying me. For all those reasons you pointed out Red

MollyButton · 27/03/2020 08:22

I find it funny when people come on accusing MN of being very biased to the Left; as my DDs continually tell me how incredibly right wing it is.

Trump is doing awfully - and the curve for America is very frightening.
As for the UK who would have thought a pretty right wing Conservative Government would have been forced to nationalise the railways etc?

And fresh air and exposure to sunshine are crucial for the health of the nation, we will mainly be vitamin D depleted right now. That's why they are clinging to the "exercise" reason for being outside. Even if some police are being over zealous in the "control".

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