People without underlying conditions shouldn't be afraid of covid-19 **MNHQ editing title to make clear that this is one person's opinion and not fact**

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The German mortality rate is 0.4% which is comparable to flu

Germany are testing more than any other European nation whereas we're only testing people when they're admitted to ICU which means that all the people with mild to no symptoms are not featuring in our mortality rate driving it quite high and scaring everyone.

AIBU in believing that people without underlying conditions should not be worried about getting the disease?

The ones that due might end up dying in 3-5 years of pulmonary fibrosis.

According to....?

20% of people will be seriously ill needing hospitalisation, 2% will die. Higher than flu rates. It is serious in terms of the health service coping.

If somebody catches 1 corona virus droplet from somebody their immune system starts responding. Most people will fight off that 1 round of corona virus.

If somebody catches 1 corona virus droplet off of 1 person, but before the immune system has built a response also catches 1 droplet from 99 other people, they have 100 rounds of the virus to fight. Their immune system is overwhelmed.

If somebody catches 100 corona virus droplets from 1 person then their immune system could become overwhelmed.

If somebody catches 100 corona virus droplets, but before the immune system has built a response they are exposed to 99 other people each shedding 100 corona virus droplets then they have 1000 loads of corona virus to fight. Even the best immune systems would be overwhelmed, because they have had too much exposure (100 people) all at high viral load and their immune system has not had time to respond at all. This means healthy people will die too, especially those exposed to the sickest patients.

That's without taking into consideration our healthcare capacity, number of ventilators, effectiveness of ventilation, etc

The flu is seriously dangerous how anyone can be flippantly to say it's just the flu. I personally have only really had bad colds throughout my life so anyone that does get the flu is shocking to me.
I can't believe there isn't anything you can do to stop getting pneumonia, I don't feel that there's anything too kind of prevent it

Even ‘mild’ this is horrid. No test here but 111 and GP think very likely. I’m healthy, quite fit, early 40s and have been knocked for six. I’ve had a fever and complete exhaustion for 9 days now, along with racing heart and shortness of breath (even going to the toilet is an effort). This is not a quick fix. I reckon at times my lung function has been about 30% of normal and heart rate permanently elevated. Think of that if there are already any heart/lung/circulation issues. I wouldn’t want to scaremonger but also feel everyone should be taking it seriously.

I’m still worried about getting it. I’m a healthy 36 year old (no underlying conditions and never smoked). I ended up staying in hospital a couple of years ago due to pneumonia. I was there for 6 days. I had a fever, a cough didn’t appear til a day or 2 before I was discharged and inflammation markers in my blood were responding to the right antibiotics.

If I can be admitted for that out of nowhere, I’m certainly worried about catching a virus which can also cause pneumonia.

Have those that got it think oh s* I wish I hadn't been in contact with that person etc?
Or I wish I hadn't gone to the supermarket or you just don't know?

So you look at italy, china spain iran and think that it will be somehow less harmful in the uk....

GreenestValley that logic doesn’t stack up though.

If we let this run it’s course then the economy would be fucked anyway.

Assuming a 20% hospitalisation rate that’s possibly 17 million people In the UK needing hospital treatment all in the next few months. Hospitals will be absolutely overwhelmed and the death rate would skyrocket.

Even assuming 1% mortality, that’s nearly three quarters of a million people all dying.

And that’s not even counting all the people taking a week or so off because they feel like crap.

Shops would still close due to lack of staff. The hospitals would crumble. More deaths would result because of the lack of resources and staff to treat “normal” conditions/illnesses/injuries.

So we end up with a situation where the economy is still fucked but we also have to live with ourselves in the knowledge that we wrote off a significant proportion of the population for some sort of bizzare “greater good” that wouldn’t appear.

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-briton-21-with-no-existing-health-conditions-dies-after-contracting-covid-19-11963451

Well that’s ok then. Lucky them. It’s not like people with underlying conditions are humans with feelings or contribute anything to society. As long as you’re not one of “them”
Everything is fandabbydozy

How do you report A thread on mumsnet?

‘Underlying health conditions‘ doesn’t mean ‘at death’s door’.

These are people with say diabetes, high blood pressure who are leading full, healthy lives and could reasonably been expected to live many years more.

Found it now.

The idea of sacrificing the vulnerable for the economy is downright stupid as well as immoral.

The economy will not be functioning if hundreds of thousands of people are dying, the healthcare system is overwhelmed and healthcare workers are too sick to treat us. There’ll be rioting in the streets.

The best thing for the economy is to contain this as soon as possible.

20% of people will be seriously ill needing hospitalisation, 2% will die and more if we can’t help the 20%.

A fit and healthy 21 year old, no underlying health conditions just died from COVID19.

Still won’t make people take it seriously.

@StinkyWizzleteets

Exactly. I'm probably going to get through this, though at times I've had my doubts. I have a weakened immune system according to blood tests, and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome due to pneumonia last year. I'm only 50 and I'm an adoptive mum. My DD2 (8) has been terrified of losing me.

There are others who are far more vulnerable than me, and who are parents or carers, do you really think they don't matter?

Today they think that up to 50% of the UK could already have had it.

I think I have had it.
And it was back at the end of January.
And before everyone jumps on me for it being 'a bit of a cough', here is why I think I had it:

• I was ill with a fever and horrific gastro problems (the shits)
• I have not been ill even with a cold for 3/4 years and it was not a cold
• I passed it on to all my family and DS1 got fever and bad cough (wheezy) for 2 weeks. He is asthmatic so probably more likely to have it on his chest.
• DS2 got a fever for a day and was then fine
• BF got it and had a fever for a couple of days and slight cough
• And mainly because I got a test done because I thought it might be norovirus, rotavirus, bacterial infection or parasitic - they tested for all of these and it came back 'all clear'

Relevant to this is that the symptoms I had are actually common to CV gut.bmj.com/content/early/2020/02/25/gutjnl-2020-320832

And all other tests came up negative. I am very glad I persevered in getting the test as the doctor was reluctant. They won't have been testing for the virus at the end of Jan.

I was the most ill out of my family who got it, and we all had slightly different symptoms.

Well I would say I have it now and I'm 53 so not quite the Blase attitude you have to it and it is affecting my chest. It's wiped me out but totally different to any flu or cold. Even as a nurse it's made me anxious so YABU.

On the day that a 21 year old with no underlying conditions died I'd like to see the thread pulled.

@Casino218

Do you take anything for the pain?

I've noticed an upsurge in these "the old and sick who are dying would have died anyway sooner rather than later" threads thinly veiled as pseudo-scientific reasons for no lockdown.
Maybe only when it's their grandad will they give a fuck. Or maybe not even then.

can I please say this to parent of school age children -primary age & up to 13 -
I live overseas at that time - I contracted a very serious infection with side effects that meant I couldn't go back to school for nearly 6 months. MY parents organised home work from school - I kept up to the level that I did well at end of year exams - (Thank you dbigsis who brought it home etc & ddad) you can help your dc - these days you have the internet an advantage we did not have - I landed up reading an awful lot more (blame that for making me an information junky!)

ps re thread - people without any underlying conditions who are under 40 & under 30 have died & have been very seriously ill - please don't follow Trump's view - he doesn't believe or understand science but thinks if you throw money at something it will be solved & that poor people don't count - unless they are voting for you of course