Is no one even a little concerned about the intrusion and removal of freedoms?

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I know needs must and we're in a real crisis situation but it does make me a little uneasy to see how easy it has been to remove all freedoms.

The real shocker for me today was the text messages. I've spent the last year or so working on GDPR stuff and all the "threats" associated with that. Who gave the government all our numbers?!

I know it's insignificant in the scheme of things now but is it right that it's so easy?

We had an Apache gunship flying and hovering above our town yesterday. I thought wtf!? Turns out a school in town 10 miles away is now home for Army troops and an old WW2 airfield is now home for RAF helicopters!!! What's next I wonder!?
Even so I welcome lockdown for all since I voluntarily went into lockdown last week before I got my text message to isolate for 12 weeks.
Also having seen the scenes in supermarkets where I witnessed a man snatching a chicken ( last one) out of the hands of an OAP, and unable to get basic food for myself including milk sugar bread teabags and any sort of meat and no loo roll for 10 days I'm sort of pleased these sort of people have lost a bit of freedom!

angel84 yes it is awful, inconvenient, and restrictive but you have to get a grip. I'm in the middle of cancer treatment and the selfish me me people who think it's their godgiven right to do wtf they like refusing to consider anyone at all has made it a necessity for the government to put these measures in. My doctor's have told me if I catch Covid 19 I will die. I don't want to die so heyho I'm going to be a good girl and do as I am told for probably the first time in my life😁

So far there’s been 18,907 deaths worldwide from coronavirus

The World Health Organisation (WHO) estimates that each year approximately one million people die from suicide, which represents a global mortality rate of 16 people per 100,000 or one death every 40 seconds.

That figure is going to increase massively now. I saw in a newspaper yesterday some girl had taken her life because she was worried about the
coronavirus and the “mental health impacts of isolation”, saying it was ultimately what killed her as “she couldn’t cope with her world closing in, plans being cancelled and being stuck inside”.

The government needs to get people tested as apparently over 50% of us have already had it and those clear should get back to work.

Each and everyone of you think of these words when next you moan about your lack of freedom....

Defoe:

“It was very sad to reflect how such a person as this had been a walking destroyer perhaps for a week or a fortnight before that; how he had ruined those that he would have hazarded his life to save, and had been breathing death upon them, even perhaps in his tender kissing and embracings of his own children.”

Nope the Tories loathe limiting civil liberties and will be more than happy to hand them back after this is over. They are ideologically small state. I would have been more worried if Jezza was in charge on this issue.

I'm more concerned about me and my loved ones dying.

As others said the phone companies sent the message so no data shared

I know I sound like a broken record but this is important. Our internet service providers are required by law to provide the government with the last 12 months of each of our internet browsing histories. When it comes to tracking our online communications, the UK has one of the most intrusive policies in the world. They know far, far more about us than our mobile number.

Let's hope you all have the luxury of just worrying about this.
Yes it does concern me. Yes, I'm thinking about tbe fallout in our democracy. But it is so far down the list of things il thinking about right now.
And no, Boris doesn't have your number.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Not at all

If idiots weren't so ignorant about it ... this wouldn't be happening.

I am also extremely concerned about loved ones catching it and dying.

Your comments on your post doesn't even come into it at all. Why would they....

If you don't care about someone's freedom, why would you expect them care about your life?

Completely agree with everything you said in your post.

I am concerned over the ease of removal of the legal requirements for local authorities to provide education for disabled children. It also has huge implications for the Care Act, where a whole swathe of duties on local authorities around assessment are removed and the duty to meet needs comes against the high bar of it being necessary to avoid a breach of the adult's rights under the Human Rights Convention.

I realise that these measures may be necessary in the short term whilst we deal with the virus but I would not trust the current government to reinstate these protections fully after we get through this.

The measures seem completely disproportionate when you think about the death rate and the amount of money they're pumping in to save people from Covid at all costs - whereas for the last 10 years, disabled/poor/vulnerable people have been dying from austerity and people have been dying from a lack of ambulances/doctors/MH professionals.

I do think the measures were only part necessity, and the rest populism. Lots of people in this country were just terrified by what they read in the Mail and were begging for strict measures, without considering the impact of the economic fallout (also many deaths) for years after this. I think if they'd done nothing, there'd have been riots as people piled up outside hospitals suffocating, and we could have had mass civil unrest. When people are dying in front of you it causes mass panic, even if that exact same number or more would have died over the next few years from the austerity when we have to pay back £330billion. The funding cuts to public services after all this could be worse than corona.

No, it was needed

Get a grip.
The mass texts were from the phone companies not directly from govt. and if you got a special 12 week one it’s prob from your GP or similar.
I couldn’t give a bollock about freedoms atm. What concerns me are the people still going out and about - some of who are in their 80s and think they can go on the bus to Lidl!!!

You do realise that even in normal times we are never totally free to do whatever we want ?
You are not free to murder, or drive without a seatbelt, or take stuff without paying

These are all restrictions that ensure your actions don't harm others
It's called law

Now we have a temporary law that most people seem to agree with ( over 90% according to the papers)
( slightly clearer than Brexit or the general election)

Now you are not free to spread death to others

Yes, it's horrific, yes we need to ensure that we get back our freedoms as soon as we can do so without outing others at risk, but no one is ever totally free as we all live in a society that needs to work together

I'm worried about the virus but I am also worried about civil liberties too. We can be concerned about two things. It is very easy to get our heckles up about looking after our loved ones , by staying at home ( rightly so ). Don't let that blanket panic cloud , logical critical thinking too. The government , so far has acted in a responsible, logical way. They gave us rope,requesting people not to go out... They did in droves, most people have now got angry at them, putting the NHS and our loved ones at risk. We demand further action and the government has done so. All good.... So far. But what I'm afraid of is this setting a precedent, things have massively changed, within two weeks. Two weeks from now where could we be ? Armed police on the streets , shooting outsiders. Internet restrictions ,on only " essential sites, see where we could be going ? Just keep open minded ?

Judging by some comments on here, some people want to see tanks on the streets and the army taking pot shots at anybody pootling around Lidl for too long.

The cure can't be worse than the actual illness.

I blame the Guardian - they kept running articles saying we should copy South Korea.

I would rather people had listened and just followed the rules but it’s clear from threads on here that people try to justify being the exception. If it takes the government to temporarily lock down everyone’s freedom to save my elderly grandparents, my nhs worker friend with a weakened immune system and my baby from getting it I’m happy to make the sacrifice. People were quick to jump on Boris Johnson being so blunt saying loved ones will die but even that doesn’t sink in!

The funding cuts to public services after all this could be worse than corona.

This in spades!!!!!!! Please, please, keep repeating this!!!!

People seem to have very short-term thinking. Your vulnerable relative might be saved from corona tomorrow. But when this is finished, and say your child gets appendicitis/cancer/a RTC. If it takes them 10 hours to get an ambulance to then have to queue in A&E for hours, and months and months to get a cancer operation because of the backlog cancelled cancer operations, they will die because of that. Someone might be saved from corona today but commit suicide because they have lost their business and their home. No-one seems to have considered the after-effects while blindly calling for lockdown or done any sort of cost-benefit analysis.

There is no magic money tree - we will be paying for this with not just our money but our lives.

I believe curtailing our freedoms is the last thing Johnson wanted to do, and the reason he held out so long, and the reason we don't have the same restrictions as Italy and Madrid.

I also believe that will inevitably happen, as we simply cannot understand the need to comply. What we have now will look like a church social compared to actual lockdown.

The the muppet saying there's no virus, you go and spend the night unmasked on a London ICU ward then. Idiot.

Take your tinfoil hat off, try not to scare yourself by over thinking this

How patronising. We could all do with more critical thinking but you prefer to demean people who are questioning. Doesn't mean they're not following the rules but it's important that people discuss and challenge and hold their government to account.

I agree the new laws etc are absolutely necessary at this time because we were all given the opportunity to avoid it by following guidelines and a lot of people didn't take it BUT I think it's terrifying how quickly things can be pushed through that take away our rights.

I don't think now is the time to push back but I have had some scary thoughts about what our country will look like of the restrictions aren't removed when this is all over. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking it tbh.