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This pandemic may be short

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cornishdreams1 · 24/03/2020 06:30

I wanted to share with you the article published today in the Times. Professor Levit a Nobel prize winner no less, and a mathematical genius has estimated after looking at the numbers that this pandemic will be short, and can be controlled. If we observe the restrictions now we can expect it to be over quickly.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pandemic-can-be-controlled-says-scientist-michael-levitt-bp7qd39lv

The whole world of medicine is working on an antidote, there have been some very encouraging progress, the vaccine is being tested now (after skipping other stages because it is so urgent)

nypost.com/2020/03/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-officials-say/

There is every reason to believe that this is not going to be the new normal, but a short blip until we are able to get find a solution. The world economy is banking on a quick fix, so lets hope it will be with us soon.
WE may change in the process, the country may change in many ways after this, but this is not going to be our lives forever.

We should prepare mentally for a long lockdown, but for those that need at least a flicker of hope that we will be peaking soon, and back on the downward trajectory and back to some sort of normal, there is science behind that as well. Look at HK, China and S.Korea.

Pandemics may become regular, or this may never happen again, but the sun is shining this morning and we are all well enough to post on here.

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RussianDolls · 24/03/2020 22:08

Lovely to have a positive thread.

YouAreTheEggManIAmTheWalrus · 24/03/2020 22:41

So why are they saying lockdown could be for 6 months?

www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-uk-lockdown-how-long-last-fines-covid-leaving-home-2020-3?r=US&IR=T&utm_source=reddit.com

Butterymuffin · 24/03/2020 22:58

Yet more good news! This just came up as an alert on Twitter.

The coronavirus is only mutating slowly, which means there is more chance that a vaccine, once found, will offer lasting protection

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-coronavirus-isnt-mutating-quickly-suggesting-a-vaccine-would-offer-lasting-protection/2020/03/24/406522d6-6dfd-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html#click=t.co/39bnShU2dE" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-coronavirus-isnt-mutating-quickly-suggesting-a-vaccine-would-offer-lasting-protection/2020/03/24/406522d6-6dfd-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html#click=t.co/39bnShU2dE

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 24/03/2020 23:10

I'm like that, Schadenfreude, it's not pleasant, is it? True what they say that the 'darkest hour is just before dawn'. I worry and then when I wake up, I manage to have it in perspective again.

Best wishes to all who are feeling anxious or alone in this... and thanks again to the OP for posting this thread. Thanks

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 25/03/2020 04:03

I had the worst flu of my life starting a few days after Christmas, went on for weeks. Seriously never experienced anything like it. If antibody testing was available I'd get it and wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that I'd somehow caught an early case of the virus.

(I'm fine now but it took much longer to shake off than I've experienced with any cold or flu before.)

SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/03/2020 08:27

Funnily enough Kitten - I had something similar a couple of months ago.

I could barely breathe - it felt like there was a block of concrete on my chests when I lay down, and as though I was in an overnight strait-jacket when I sat up.

Like you, I just assumed flu - and maybe it was, but it was bad.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 25/03/2020 08:27

*overtight, not overnight

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 25/03/2020 16:24

Bumping this thread again... needed even more.

MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2020 16:25

home testing sounds great. The Guardian.

sisiwarwick · 25/03/2020 17:44

@Clymene thank you for the share token :)

TravelDog · 25/03/2020 17:55

I agree we need to hope to cheer us all up. I'm hoping that when they say 12-18 months for a vaccine they are giving us worst case scenario. As Jack Reacher says, plan for the worst, hope for the best...

Vick2964 · 25/03/2020 18:08

Thank you for the info and your great positive attitude does help where there's possibilities of panic. Wishing all good health and unfortunately, those in charge in Florida have given the "stay at home" approach a thumbs down. Some people are just trying to keep their jobs as long as possible. Unfortunately, they don't realize they are making matters worse!

Dilovescake21 · 25/03/2020 18:09

Thanks for posting this. He may be right or wrong - who knows but at least it’s optimistic- unlike the daily mail who are acting like it’s the apocalypse

leckford · 25/03/2020 18:12

I think if it goes on too long people will go mental. There is supposed to be a test fairly soon to see if you have had it, hopefully rules can be scaled back

Kayagh · 25/03/2020 18:22

Need some hope and people to do what is asked my kids kids their dad and until this eases be likely won’t get home LNG ships caotain please please follow the guidelines

Abc234 · 25/03/2020 18:23

Keep positive we will get thro this x Angie

msgreen · 25/03/2020 18:32

It’s going to be a long long time , that’s because people have been selfish, and doing stupid things

Funguy · 25/03/2020 19:21

I cannot read the first article due to it being for subscribers. It would be good if you could post it so we could read it.

newyorky09 · 25/03/2020 19:29

Thanks for this OP. It's good to have a glimmer of hope

riceuten · 25/03/2020 19:42

If you post a link, it’s probably for the best if it’s not behind a paywall

user1472151176 · 25/03/2020 20:13

Thank you for a positive post. Flowers

Sierra259 · 25/03/2020 20:21

Thank you for this thread, it's lovely to read something positive. Like a pp said, there's so many little things that I will never take for granted again after this, and I am also hopeful that the NHS, supermarket workers/delivery drivers, teachers etc will no longer be shafted by those in power, now everyone has seen who the real keyworkers are. And it's not big business or the banks!

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 25/03/2020 20:22

Thank you. It is lovely to hear some positivity. Makes a big difference right now.

I just really, really hope that everyone out there is doing what they need to do in line with the government's advice. Yes it's inconvenient and not fun, but come on people, we need to accept it and do what we need to do.

UseByDateExpired · 25/03/2020 20:22

How can we discuss the contents of an article behind a paywall?

The other link is to the New York Post, approximately the equivalent of our now defunct News of the World , or the Sun, maybe.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 25/03/2020 20:27

Hi, @UserByDateExpired - this is what I see, and I paid nothing for it.

"The world will beat coronavirus faster than most experts expect, provided that social distancing is observed, a Nobel laureate scientist who correctly forecast the pandemic’s trajectory in China has predicted.

Michael Levitt, a British-American-Israeli biophysicist who runs a laboratory at Stanford University in California, believes that official data does not support the dire warnings of millions of deaths and massive global social disruption lasting more than a year.

Instead, lessons from China and from the Diamond Princess — the cruise ship hit by an outbreak of the virus after she left Japan early last month — suggest that aggressive public health measures work and that a large proportion of people have natural immunity.

“What we need to control is the panic,” he told the Los Angeles Times. In the long term, “we’re going to be fine”.

Professor Levitt, 72, shared the Nobel prize for chemistry in 2013. He is not an epidemiologist but does have an unusually sophisticated grasp of numbers and statistics.

He also has close links to China because his wife, Shoshan Brosh, is a researcher specialising in Chinese art. The couple divide their time between the US, Israel and China so, when the coronavirus outbreak began, he wrote to friends in China to support them. Their responses encouraged him to take a deeper look at the data emerging on the spread of the virus.

The early figures were horrifying. “The rate of infection of the virus in the Hubei province increased by 30 per cent each day — that is a scary statistic,” he told Calcalist, an Israeli financial publication, this month. “I am not an influenza expert but I can analyse numbers and that is exponential growth.”

At that rate, the entire world would have been infected within 90 days.

Rapidly though, the trend shifted. On February 1, Hubei had 1,800 new cases each day. Within six days the number reached 4,700.

“And then, on February 7, the number of new infections started to drop linearly and did not stop. A week later, the same happened with the number of deaths. Based on that, I concluded that the situation in all of China will improve within two weeks.”

On February 25, as the total number of cases neared 79,000, the China Daily News published his declaration that the virus’s rate of growth had peaked and his prediction that the total number of confirmed cases in China would reach about 80,000, with about 3,250 deaths.
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Almost a month later the country has registered about 81,093 cases, with 3,270 deaths.

Professor Levitt has now analysed the data from 78 nations with more than 50 reported cases of coronavirus. He said that he is seeing “signs of recovery” in other countries too.

Other leading scientists are also striking a cautiously positive note.

“This pandemic will end. I’m more optimistic than most — I hope by June,” wrote Karol Sikora, the former head of the World Health Organisation’s cancer programme, on Twitter yesterday. “But that can only happen if people put the needs of others above their own. Forget politics and listen to the government — it will save lives.”

Levitt’s China forecast

February 21 Professor forecasts 80,000 cases and 3,250 deaths

March 23 Official figures from China say there have been 81,093 cases and 3,270 deaths. There have been 39 additional cases today and nine additional deaths"