If you were one of them, why?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-51998512

Please see link, loads flood the tescis NHS hour, ignoring the why the NHS hour exists.
Also in news on TV last night everyone Congregating in parks and at beach.

Why?
Why us it just not sinking in wiith you all?
Please explain your logic and how you would feel if government just got sick of you not listening that they put in heavier restrictions and the army to police it simply because you couldn't manage to do it yourself?

what I was trying to say is I think inside I'm sprinting may be not thinking things through. Can she imagine how stressed those NhS workers must be right now, they are fighting to save lives 48 hours a week and on top of that their chances of living through this aren't good, thanks to the plonkers who voted conservative AGAIN

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helgahelga

I hope to god you don't live near me. You are beyond selfish. I have 3 adult DCs, two of whom are in London. (we're not). I was desperate to see them this weekend, of course we didn't.

Can you honestly say you know who your DCs have had contact with? How do you know they are not asymptomatic?

I have searched for a bar chart showing how ONE person can infect by 4 stages thousands of people by not isolating. And that is reduced by 80% if you do.
Can't find it at the moment but will keep searching.
I know without doubt you won't take a blind bit of notice, but you should be ashamed of yourself. You're carrying on as normal. Awful.

We need Public Health Notices like we had during the AIDS epidemic. It felt like every single ad break of any programme was showing the AIDS infomercial once.

It still took some time for people to start thinking of it as anything but a Gay Plague, thanks to the red tops.

starpatch, you sound like a total sweetie and you have clearly done the best you are able to for your family under the circumstances. Try not to stress too much (easy to say!). And with all that you're still able to think of others who may have it worse - that's seriously decent. Take care.

I’m travelling today, reluctantly and unavoidably, on public transport. There are very few of us thankfully, but the 3 times I’ve had to move it’s been because a middle aged man has totally unnecessarily sat or stood too close. I just don’t understand the mentality.
Add in the much less serious but very annoying playing of audio/ video without headphones and I can’t wait for this day to be over. If you can afford a smartphone you can afford the cheapest headphones. Knobheads all.

@Irial yes I did mean she's not understanding it.

but the 3 times I’ve had to move it’s been because a middle aged man has totally unnecessarily sat or stood too close. I just don’t understand the mentality.

Men are used to invading our space, especially on public transport. They do it as a matter of course hence the manspreading. I don’t think for one minute that Coronavirus will stop their entitlement. 🙄

@oliversmumsarmy, common sense is valuable in the gene pool. We've all met academics who can't walk and chew gum simultaneously. We need to weed out the feckless, reckless idiots who blithely assume they are above rules and viral infections.

The trouble is, for too long we were told that for the vast majority, COVID-19 would be a 'mild illness'. So people interpreted 'mild' as meaning a cold that would keep them off work for 3 or 4 days. It isn't the case at all!

The stats are totally wrong. We have no idea how many cases are out there, we just know the serious ones and the deaths. I’d guess we currently have millions not thousands of infected people. Don’t think it’s unlikely you’ll come into contact with a carrier, it’s probably more likely than not now.

Absolutely that

Jux

Absolutely for the people who do not watch or read the news and do not have people around educating them how bad the situation is.

Someone is my village announced on face book his garden bar was open to anyone wanting a few beers. My friend let rip into him but he still didn't think he had anything wrong.

That becomes obvious when you consider that Germany has 25,000 cases whereas we have 5,000. Do they really have 20,000 more cases than we do? I doubt it.

I think lockdown is the only answer. We're all working from home with a rota of 2 people a day.cosen from different areas of the building providing cover. Our Chief Executive had to go in this morning and discoveredits of non rostered people had just come in because they were bored at home. He told them to gather up whatever they were doing and get off the premises.

Sadly the only answer will be total lockdown. This is because some people simply do not understand how viruses transmit. It's really about lack of education and/or intellectual ability to think beyond the obvious.

They justify AND believe what they are doing is 'fine' because they simply aren't smart enough to understand. I blame the Govt for assuming large numbers of our population have more basic brain power than they actually do. It's all very well for scientists and government ministers to assume people can work it out for themselves but if you have a large section of the population with below average intelligence then they simply won't get it. Take the post by Helga ;

and am not apologising for seeing my 2 adult DC for an hour in MY HOUSE. We are middle aged, and they are in their 20s, and have no children. We also saw no elderly people yesterday.

You see, she genuinely thinks she was acting safely. She saw her adult DC 'in her house' .. she thinks that as she has been keeping to herself and not going outside to visit her DC that she is safe. (She completely misses the point that her DCs could both be infected and have now bought that in to her home) . She goes on to mitigate this 'unnecessary social contact ' (as clearly expressed by the PM) by saying they didn't come into contact with any elderly people. The problem is that she hasn't worked out that as her DC 'young professionals' and DH are still working, the DCs could have passed it to their dad yesterday and dad then pass it to an elderly person either at work or on way to work during the next week. This then becomes a spread that didn't need to happen. However because a lot of people lack the ability to follow the train of thought you will get more and more of a spread.

Me and DH are no more likely to get coronavirus from seeing them for an hour in our HOME, than we are from going to the shops, or from DH going to work and mixing with 100s of people and then coming home.

Again, Helgahelga can see no connection between 'existing risk' (DH going to work with 100s of people' ) and the unnecessary addition of her DCs effectively doubling the sources from where the risk will come.

I am not going to call this OP names. However I am concerned that the likes of Helgahelga are to be found all over the country and the lack of clear rules will make this epidemic much worse.

I worked in a developing country for many years in public health. One of the first things we learned was that containment of an epidemic (our main issues were cholera and TB) HAS to be imparted in a way that the most intellectually challenged can understand.

@helgahelga

I have been to the shops twice this week for supplies, for an hour each time (3 different shops,) and don't think I am any more likely to get coronavirus from my 2 DC visiting for an hour, than I am to get it from going to the shops. Also, DH is still going to work, (he can't work from home,) so is just as likely to bring it home as my DC.

It isn't just about your risk and whether it comes to your house, although when it comes that every single contact increases risk. Still, believe or not the govt haven't suggested all this to protect you. It is about preventing general transmission and the pressure on the NHS.

If you have picked it up at the supermarket or from your DH, then maybe it won't go further if you are at home. But if you have just given it to your dc then anyone they see or work with is at raised risk, and then anyone they see. Also if they have given it to you, now a whole new community of your DH work colleagues, and their partners work etc, or people they stand near, are all at risk. It spreads from community to community so you have to limit the chains of transmission. Cut those links wherever we can.

Did you not realise this?

helgahelga

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/

Read this - it says don't socialise even in your own home with your own friends and family.

As these hours for NHS, vulnerable people etc, aren't policed you see the same people who abuse other facilities normally apply this here, selfish morons.

@helgahelga

wow, you are unbelievably stupid.

My DIL is working 12 hour shifts in a busy London hospital trying to save lives and here you come along complaining that it’s imperative that you see your adult children in person, because it’s been a whole month since you last saw them, otherwise, you will self combust (if only!)

I haven’t seen my adult children for over a year. We FaceTime and chat on the phone and I’ve had to cancel our visit to them that we’ve been looking forward to because of this virus, but you’re oh so bloody special.

People like you will make this situation a hundred times worse because of your stupid and selfish behaviour.

Well said IRIAL .

I think that people still can't get everyday essentials like loo roll and pasta so they are queuing for them regardless of the risk. If we run out of toilet roll then what can we use, we don't have old news papers.

Soap and water, in a squeezy bottle with a rag/flannel/old scrap of material and a towel to dry.

I don't think people are deliberately selfish, just incredibly stupid.

Every human being is selfish, we try not to be, to be a good person and consider others but fundamentally we are selfish. It is the expectation that people won't be that causes angst and surprise. A lot of people in truth want others to self isolate for selfish reasons either, but these are the 'right' selfish reasons rather than the 'wrong' ones.

We have a ridiculously busy walk (that I avoided yesterday). The local shut pub have now physically blocked the entrance to their car park 🤦🏻‍♀️. I hardly saw anyone while we were out on a less well known route. That they have no more imagination than these tourist hotspots I guess points to 'incredibly stupid' also.

People were also crowded because there aren't enough green spaces and parks.

It's all housing development where everybody is stuffed like sardines.

I definitely think that the local planners and GLA, in my case, because I'm in London, have some responsibility for not providing enough parks for us.

You're not supposed to be going to the park. You are supposed to be staying in.

@helgahelga, I wouldn’t normally shout but you seem to struggle with comprehension. IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU.

You could have picked it up at the supermarket, or from your DH. Your super busy and important children get it from you and each of them pass it to three people, who pass it to another three each. By the time that reaches a chain of ten, your oh so important hour with your super busy and important children has meant 59,000 people have been infected.

So, yeah, you should feel at least a little guilty about that.

But i can't help wondering who thought it was a good idea to put all our frontline crucial workers together in the same place at the same time anyway!

This is what happens when you let twitter shape your response to a crisis. People have been banging on about how we should do this all over social media. Same as they did with the vulnerable, so the bright sparks at Sainsbury’s decided to combine the two. It also took social media to point out to them how stupid they were.

@TabbyMumz you f** idiot.

I'm just going to call people out now.