Bastards are still going for herd immunity

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This is why they are isolating those pockets of vulnerable people, but leaving everything else running pretty much as is.

Fuckers are going to kill hundreds of thousands of us.

I am no fan of boris Johnson but Jesus Christ, he’s told us what to do yet many people are too moronic to feel it applies to them
This. We have to open schools to key workers but people are too selfish to keep their kids at home if they can, so half the kids are still in school. We have to open supermarkets but people are too selfish not to strip the shelves bare of enough toilet roll to last themselves the year when they will probably be in isolation for 2 weeks. People are asked to stay indoors but they don't. China can have lockdown because they live in a totalitarian state where not doing what you are told could lead to you being shot in the head. We spend all our time trying to get round rules do we dont have to comply and expect everyone else to do so.

I don't think they are going for herd immunity but they made a grave mistake even ever mentioning the word as stupid people have taken that to mean that they are fine just to go out and get the virus and not worry about doing the social distancing.

Since some of you are so clever I'm shocked you have not been contacted by the Government to replace their experts. Boris is doing a good job and it's obvious from the press briefings every day that he is rightly deferring to the experts. It appears some are incapable of putting political bias to one side during this critical period and I think that says all anyone needs to know about them.

SFS

Since some of you are so clever I'm shocked you have not been contacted by the Government to replace their experts.

Probably the ones who don't even have a GCSE in science think they know the most

Or do you mean the ones who said their figures were completely wrong about two weeks before the report came out in the papers, saying "Oh and by the way, our figures were all wrong"?

The ones who were saying "100,000" is not a worst case scenario. They are lying." and then read the report from the government saying that their best case scenario was 250,000? Those silly old mumsnetters?

Yes because Boris is clearer the scientific expert and Prof Chris Whitty the CMO an epidemiologist is purely decorative.

The vast majority of countries have had a phased lockdown.

clearly

Why do they keep harping on about the perfect timing for lockdown, when ALL evidence points to the perfect time for lockdown being absolutely as early as possible, if you are going for suppression?

They're not going for herd immunity. They're seeing how compliant and responsible people will be without having to enforce lockdown measures. If people refuse to stay in that isn't the government's fault.
It's also about shifting the majority of the population's attitude to support measures usually seen in totalitarian regimes.
But they should have sent the army in and locked down London imo . It's our Lombardy.
Most delays are about trying to put the infrastructure in place behind the scenes.

Stay the fuck in your house and stop going out if you're worried. Personal responsibility. Do you need breathing instructions too?!

I think sir Patrick got us on the wrong track early on, I sensed this and apparently imperial college do have for for gloom.

I prefer the US chief medic advising trump. He seems far more in control, although of course he was severely hindered by trump.

There are /were two views.

One is China, Singapore, Taiwan. Stop this in its tracks. Hopefully it will fizzle out but stop it. Then assess.
I have a friend in China who said schools were closed for 2 months and life is creeping back to normal.

We seem to have gone for a longer term view, don't make many efforts initially to stop it because its going to be around for a very long time.

Then they rowed back on that after we diverged.

I cannot understand why we were not simply given the choice to withdraw from society early on. Those that could.

Re viral load, it makes sense but apparently so much crap is on fb at the moment it's hard to tell..

What would you like to see op?

Lockdown so people in their homes, but I assume key workers still ok to work? So are you just removing people going outside in groups or something else?

but leaving everything else running pretty much as is.
Umm no it's not - everything is closed even places like Kew Gardens.

Did anyone watch the channel 4 programme on this which just aired? It was quite reassuring.

Why did we not follow South Korea and China it makes no sense? It feels like some Cambridge crusty has dusted a few books of the shelf and come up with this strategy when everything points to not letting this kill off hundreds of thousands by immediate border lockdown as soon as the outbreak was detected in China.

What would you like to see op?

This was fucked up from the beginning but an immediate lockdown would help with military enforcement and drones.

Did anyone watch the channel 4 programme on this which just aired? It was quite reassuring
Could you summarise the points please? :)

No western country did what a China did. It’s worth reading the thread on here from someone who’s there to see the difference.

Ok but South Korea had knowledge of Mers and worked effectively from the mistakes they made last time.

The vast majority of people who get this virus will be fine after a few days. Some won't have any symptoms at all. It's not the severity of the virus that is the problem for the majority of the population, its that it is a novel virus that we have no vaccine and currently no immunity to, and so it is spreading very rapidly to vulnerable people. And when that happens so quickly the health service cannot cope.

Could you summarise the points please?

They interviewed Dr Jenny Harries and she was speaking about the science and background to the UK's pandemic planning. I cannot remember all the main points but I just found it quite matter of fact and reassuring to watch.

@LambriniSocialist erm but lots won't be. It is not right to have such a lassiez faire approach to people's lives.

@Kingcole

There isn't a lockdown in South Korea. In fact, schools, bars and restaurants are all open.

What they have been doing right is testing and isolating people who test positive.

@MarshaBradyoThis is what I want to see:

medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56