Bastards are still going for herd immunity

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This is why they are isolating those pockets of vulnerable people, but leaving everything else running pretty much as is.

Fuckers are going to kill hundreds of thousands of us.

Questions will be asked about the UK government that’s for sure. All I know is that if a Labour Government were heading this clusterfuck of dithering and major policy reversal (mitigation > half hearted suppression/dithering) the press and TV news would be apoplectic with fury. Justifiably so.

I hate what Boris stands for and the Conservative party, but I think he is playing this right.

Full lockdown will smash people to smithereens.

I think he’s got this right and we have a vulnerable family member we are protecting.

but the PM has clearly told us what to do.
I’m fact I think he deserves a standing ovation. What a great leader he has been with his unclear words, major policy reversal three weeks in, and superlative dithering... all carried through by someone in possession of that well deserved air of total trustworthiness possessed only by serial liars and adulterers, and what with that disgusting eugenicist whispering in his ear as an added bonus. Churchill would be proud. Who’s looking forward to Brexit?

I don’t think we’ll need a soldier on every street corner. The threat of it may be enough, especially if they patrol regularly and visible. With guns on show, like they do in airports..

Full lockdown will smash people to smithereens.
China came through it just fine.

Well, it's probably a bit too early to say China has come through it just fine. They have only just started to lift restrictions and don't know whether that will cause another rise in the virus.

They’re not: it’s just they are ensuring the health system isn’t overwhelmed with the 1.4million people who would almost certainly need hospital treatment if they caught Covid

@SorrelBlackbeak
But people are just getting on with things. There is or was none of the hysteria. Just a hardier people I guess, i think people have been shocked by the reaction in the UK on more than one level.

‘China came through it just fine’

Is it not a bit early to be making definitive statements such as this?

They are not going for herd immunity. They changed their minds when the projections were revised.
We are not China and we don't have the capacity to enforce that sort of lockdown. Our social and political stucture doesn't allow for it.
They already know there won't be 100% compliance, that is calculated for. We are being manipulated into locking ourselves down, because that is the best chance of it being maintained for the required length of time.

No they aren’t. The odd few new cases popping up in China are virtually all from overseas Chinese returning to China - where they face two weeks quarantine.

This is blatant Chinese propaganda.

China can't be trusted to report the truth of what is happening there and of course they will blame people returning.

This worldwide crisis is happening because the Chinese government can't be trusted. FGS stop peddling this propaganda bullshit.

I’ll trust the Chinese data when the Italian and Spanish data mirrors it.

The govt are doing a shit job.

Fuck social distancing, one parent key worker and if you can, work from home.

Where you see strong and adaptive leadership, I see a slow and under-reaction and too little too late. It's a global crisis FFS.

Also all but one voted against a pay rise for nurses and firefighters and then cheered when the result meant the pay freeze continued. One month later they gave themselves a pay rise in a packed House of Commons.

Old and vulnerable people are their collateral damage.

Locking g down is a last resort if people just obeyed the rules we would be better off

We can't trust the Chinese government. Not a word. Our government are largely self serving arseholes; the Chinese govt are utterly without morals.

Not locking the country down is prolonging it. The govt need to grow some balls and actually make some hard and fast decisions now. Soon enough every doctor in this country is going to be making heartbreaking life or death decisions multiple times a day because the government haven't acted.

Would you like to make the decisions. I generally think he is a twat but I honestly think he is stuck between a rock and a hard place. People want full lockdown but I imagine they also want a working economy, plenty of food etc. If you lock everything down for months all you are doing is making the poorest suffer long term. Obv if it has to be done then it will be but would you like to be the person that does that. If you don't lockdown soon enough then more people die from the virus. Which decision do you choose? Which is the right one?
As for china I've also heard North Korea figures look great.....

But, this is why there is confusion...

My DCs schools/colleges/university is shut
My DH has been forced to close his business
I’m on unpaid leave for 3 months
Pub/restaurants were orders to shut
My street is dead.
Most shops (apart from food) have closed. John Lewis, Primark, H&M etc
Where do you live where everything is carrying on as normal? Genuinely intrigued.

The reality is that everyone DOES need to get it eventually. All the current rules in place just ensure that those who are most vulnerable are protected as far as is possible, and that those who will get it eventually, don't all get it at the same time.

www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/uk-backed-off-on-herd-immunity-to-beat-coronavirus-we-need-it/

It will be an experiment either way, because when countries come out of lockdown, no-one knows exactly what is going to happen.

@feelingverylazytoday
Yes This.
Someone that explains the difference between China/South Korea and our mentality.

If people self isolate properly they won't contract the virus or pass it on. If individuals refuse to follow the rules the risk Is significantly higher. The nations fate is in its own collective hands. We can't insist on freedoms and then moan about lact of supervision.

I am no fan of boris Johnson but Jesus Christ, he’s told us what to do yet many people are too moronic to feel it applies to them. We don’t want a nanny state, but oh wait, yes we do. He’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. No one else would have a bloody clue what to do in this situation and he’s just doing his best.

I hate to say it but we don’t have enough reservists (let alone full-timers). We have about half the reservists of what we were meant to have under AF2020, so the Army will not be able to support public order to the extent desirable unless people who aren’t reservists are also conscripted.

@thewinkingprawn, world experts have been telling us FOR WEEKS that we need to isolate. All other infected countries took swift action. It is Boris’s stupid response about herd immunity that has caused this lapsidasical attitude in people. And he isn’t doing enough to correct his mistake (because he doesn’t ACTUALLY want it corrected)