Bastards are still going for herd immunity

[nellodee]

This is why they are isolating those pockets of vulnerable people, but leaving everything else running pretty much as is.

Fuckers are going to kill hundreds of thousands of us.

... and what about all our healthcare workers exposed to viral load?

I know @stormyClouds but we are too late to contact trace and now GPS everyone's location and temperature check etc the horse has bolted...

It this virus follows the 1918 virus that the 1st bout will be less deadly that the second one so if we have herd immunity it will lessen in the year to come

Ok but South Korea had knowledge of Mers and worked effectively from the mistakes they made last time.

Indeed - let's copy South Korea in time for the next pandemic:

"Seoul says it is building on lessons learned from an outbreak of Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) in 2015 and working to make as much information available as possible to the public."

"South Korea is also enforcing a law that grants the government wide authority to access data: CCTV footage, GPS tracking data from phones and cars, credit card transactions, immigration entry information, and other personal details of people confirmed to have an infectious disease."

"The authorities can then make some of this public, so anyone who may have been exposed can get themselves - or their friends and family members - tested."

"In addition to helping work out who to test, South Korea's data-driven systems help hospitals manage their pipeline of cases."

"People found positive are placed in self-quarantine and monitored remotely through an app or checked regularly in telephone calls until a hospital bed becomes available.When this occurs, an ambulance picks the person up and takes them to a hospital with air-sealed isolation rooms."

"This approach comes at the cost of some privacy. South Korea's system is an intrusive mandatory measure that depends on people surrendering what, for many in Europe and the US, would be a fundamental right of privacy."

But we can get back to a point where we can have another shot at this, but do it better. If South Korea can make or get hold of testing kits in large numbers, so can we. If they can create the apps that inform people where the virus has been located, so can we.

Or, we can just roll over and let this kill 500,000 people or more...

And if it saves lives I'm in.

@#nellodee

Exactly. We look bloody ridiculous atm. It's like no one cares that hundreds of thousands of people are dying unnecessarily.

We had the technology and geography to stop this in its tracks - a complete fuck up.

I'd like to see mass testing so that everyone would be clear whether they have had it or not. If people have had it they can get back out and be productive looking after the ones who are still susceptible. I know that people will need to be tested every few days or whatever but how can we move forwards when we don't know who has got it , who has had it etc?

South Korea did implement it. Taiwan too with other centralised stuff. But how long did it take? Because we don’t have long and they did it before the pandemic. Was it 6 months, 6 weeks no idea.

The article is interesting but just so I’m sure what would you do now that removes what we are doing? We need some people to go to work so is it just everyone else stay inside and have one walk like other European cities? I’m fine with that.

It’s late and I’m probably missing something so be good to hear what you think.

At your next press conference what would you announce?

Boris needs to shut all non-essential shops now. Just access to food, toiletries and medicine. Pay self employed people so they don't have to make a choice between earning or doing the right thing.

Leaving it to individuals to make the correct moral decision isn't working in all cases. There's a paramedic on my village Facebook asking for barber recommendations because his usual one has shut. A paramedic FFS.

Test, test, test.
Oh and lockdown now.

We were warned. Nobody listened.we squandered the precious gifts of time, knowledge and geography.

The plan? How did our masterplan differ from Italy's reactive response?

China has saved thousands of lives and is eradicating the virus.
In the UK we will have more deaths than any other country. As WHO said, the UK approach is immoral.

That is why everything currently is so weak. Confusing advice that makes it look like they are doing something, but they know a lot will ignore.

@Codywolf No one knows. This is not flu.

@middleager you are forgetting that the virus behaves differently in the UK to other places, and that Italians

don't wash their hands.
all live with their grannies.
kiss each other all the time.
are all old anyway.

please delete any sentences which are either too or not sufficiently racist for your preference

Why do they keep harping on about the perfect timing for lockdown, when ALL evidence points to the perfect time for lockdown being absolutely as early as possible, if you are going for suppression?

Have you tried staying in the house yet and not leaving? Have you tried it for a week or more? Once you've actually tried it you'll understand. It's hard and we'll all get fed up with it superfast.
Government advisors have explained this. They want to implement it at the crucial time so we don't all give up and go out when they least want us too.

We've been isolating for 9 days and I am so ready to give up.

South Korea probably have strict immigration controls - we will have to register everyone in time for the next pandemic - ID cards, fingerprints;

"In current Resident Registration Act, ID card must be mounted name, ID photo, fingerprint, published date and resident registration agency."

"South Korea is one of the most ethnically homogeneous countries with an absolute majority of the population of Korean ethnicity who account for approximately 96% of the total population."

I've been self isolating for the past 7 days with 2 children under 8. They both have high temperatures, coughs, sore throats and headaches. I would much rather continue to self isolate for the duration, but I am a keyworker.

NellyGrace I don't understand this stuff about it being too hard and people getting bored or "giving up".

I've been self-isolating for well over a week as DH and I have symptoms. I have two teenage boys, one with ASD. It's not easy, it's not fun, it's not enjoyable. I and one of my sons have significant mental health problems as well. It's not optional though, is it, if you're a half-decent human being with a basic grasp of the realities of the situation? If I go out, I could kill somebody. If DH goes out, he could kill somebody. So we stay in the house. Once we've finished our isolation for being symptomatic, we stay in the house unless one of us has to go out for essential supplies, and if that happens we get what we need as quickly as possible and get back home. The kids don't go out. At all. It's not safe.

How anyone can talk of "giving up" or getting bored with quarantine is beyond me. Breathtaking selfishness.

We've been isolating for 9 days and I am so ready to give up.

But most people hopefully would carry on.

I think we should have a yearly Pandemic 'firedrill' so people would already understand what this might mean, perhaps a public information film every month, would also would have helped.

We're not ill though. We started 9/10 days ago because we thought the government were being too slow.

I wish now I'd just kept sending the kids to school (at the time I felt too frightened to as one is vulnerable with a disability, but was not ill).

We're all different. My mental health can't take this. We live in a tiny flat with no garden.

Isolation isn't any easier when you're ill, believe me. It's frightening as well. Our mental health will HAVE to take it, though. It just isn't optional.

@Cam77 there are reports that some starved to death. What you mean is China claims that it came through it just fine.

I don’t understand why people keep bringing up China as an example here? Are they not pleased that the British are compliant as a result of living through nearly a century of genocidal dictatorship?

we will have to register everyone in time for the next pandemic - ID cards, fingerprints
Well exactly. British people voted against ID cards. If everyone was issued with an ID card at birth we could put steps into place to prevent panic buying, eg.
We want to have our individual freedoms, that means stepping up and taking individual responsibility.

I disagree. They are doing what they can, with limited resources, in unprecedented times. They know they cannot completely stop the virus in its tracks without locking down the whole country for months, and for many reasons that is just not possible. Bojo and his advisers had to wait until the public realised the severity of the problem before they could take stronger measures to curtail the virus, because they needed the public to accept the measures and be compliant. Even at this stage, a small minority of people are still not following the guidelines, so maybe your anger would be better directed at those selfish people who are making a bad situation worse.

I am not a fan of Bojo, and he has made some mistakes at times when he has spoken unwisely during press briefings, but on the whole he seems to be doing a reasonable job, and I cannot imagine how stressful his position must be, right now. Give him a break, he's not the architect of this crisis, he's trying his best.