Is this scaremongering: schools not open until December

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Heard off a few people today (different times) that schools wont open until December.
Surely not????

@ambolsei I think you misunderstand what I’m saying. Of course I understand what the implications of 1000s of students returning if it’s too early will be. Don’t be so silly. There’s no lack of thinking here I can promise you, as a senior healthcare lecturer believe me I get it.

When I say I’m concerned I mean I’m concerned that in Sept it will still be too early for it to be safe for them to come back. That we will still be in the thick of it.

Some parents will just go into meltdown especially those with SEND children with ECPs - they will be desperate for respite care but the problem is that there will be no structure for those kids

I am immensely proud of my HT who managed to give an Easter egg for every child in the school on Friday.

I was responding to a different post re Flu @JulietTango Not making a point about CV.

Because people are still dying of car accidents and other reasons, these are extra people dying and a lot of them. And after hearing from a colleague who watched someone die in icu of it yesterday it sounds a particularly awful way to die. Gasping for breath and terrified.

I agree with you @Amboseli

Its a bit of a grim realisation, but ultimately the sooner we get there, the more likely we have any sort of society to return to.

Awful though.

@VivaLeBeaver

Sorry if covered - but what’s your role that you have a colleague in ICU watching someone’s last moments?

I believe you're actually a midwife @VivaLeBeaver ?

I’m a uni lecturer but also still qualified nhs front line staff and do shifts on the bank.

@DCOkeford correct. So in close contact with doctor and nurse colleagues.

I’ve never been so scared in all my time in the nhs. I worked full time during the swine flu outbreak and was nothing like this.

@DCOkeford ah sorry, I didn't realise

No problem, I agree the thread had moved on so it was a bit misleading.

@VivaLeBeaver, this is not extra people dying. They will die at some point with or without Corona.

There are many illnesses that result in a very painful horrible death. It's a terrible but true fact of life.

The problem with Corona is that huge numbers of people are getting it all at the same time. And no health system can cope with that meaning that there is a huge impact. But in itself dying of Corona or cancer for eg is no different, both have the same end result.

Oh don’t be so Pedantic. It’s extra people dying now. The people in their 40s and 50s who were previously fit and healthy and have died shouldn’t have died for a good few decades. Yes, they might have been hit by a bus tomorrow but unlikely. They leave behind loved ones who believe me will not be feeling that they had a good innings, etc. You’re being very silly.

they seriously considered making everyone repeat the year in sept but raising the school age in the U.K. permanently to 5-6yo

That might work but what would you do about childcare provision? I suppose childminders could take older kids but nurseries are largely purpose built - or converted for the age groups we have now.

I think the better option is to examine less content in GCSEs and A levels next year and then move on as normal in 2022. There might be a bit of a question mark over their results but once they're in work or study, nobody will care in 5 years' time.

The people in their 40s and 50s who were previously fit and healthy and have died shouldn’t have died for a good few decades

The youngest person to die in the UK was 45 and was already a Motor Neurone Disease Patient

Show me a single person, under the age of 60, in previous good health who has died from this virus in the UK.

Show me a single person, under the age of 60, in previous good health who has died from this virus in the UK.

I don't know about the UK but elsewhere there may well have. We don't know as we aren't actually told how ill these people were beforehand. The phrase 'Underlying conditions' is vague.

I class myself as in my 40s and generally fit and healthy. However I have an inflammatory arthritis and take medication to prevent it worsening. This reduces my immunity and put me at risk. But I am still pretty fit and healthy and certainly nowhere near ready to die. Whilst my condition put me more at risk of this, it doesn't actually limit my life ordinarily.

But in stats if I were to become ill with this, would I then just be a stat: 40 odd year old with underlying health conditions.

I don’t know anyone but a thread on here about 38 year old needing care made me thing how awful if no care available.

@Aragog Me too - I am fit and healthy bar arthritis but although I was qualified for biologics, I got them delievered and never used them as I was too worried about my immune system. No doubt I'd just be another statistic. Never mind the fact my BMI is good, I have a high powered job, run several things out of work and am very active physically.

The reality is "underlying health conditions" can be used to mask unpleasant news. Sometimes it means the person was actually quite unwell and had a serious ongoing condition, other times it could be someone with mild asthma who only ever has a blue inhaler just incase, a well controlled dibaetic marathon runner, someone you would never know was ill.

The most common underlying condition I have read is high blood pressure.

And it does kill people with cancer, some of whom would have recovered. My 88 year old neighbour died last year. She had cancer when she was 60 that was cured.

An 18 year old in the UK has died of Coronavirus

I don't know about the UK but elsewhere there may well have

If you are really so stupid that you don't see what is wrong with this ridiculous statement, then there is no point trying to have a reasoned discussion with you.

An 18 year old in the UK has died of Coronavirus

One who had underlying health conditions.

The overall chance of surviving a coronavirus infection if you are under 20 is 99.8%

Source

Which 'few people' would that be?

Derek Acorah, Jesus Christ, the Ghost of Maria Montessori and that friend of a friend of a friend of a Facebook friend of a friend perhaps?

DCOkeford

Less of the insults. Please have a conversation without resorting to them

I am neither stupid nor ignorant, and actually have been very measured throughout the whole thing to date.

My point stands - what does underlying health issues actually mean?

Do they mean they were already very ill, in and out of hospital with serious concerns already prior to CV019?
Or so they mean they had medication due to asthma or arthritis?

There is a massive difference between the two scenarios.

Surely even you can see this.

And if you really cannot understand why people with 'underlying conditions' but are generally fit and well despite the medical condition or medication are concerned then it is me who should be banging my head on the table.

Indeed