Lockdown is not the answer

[NellyGrace]

We have a vulnerable family member and have been isolating for 9 days. This is unsustainable. It will drive us mad.

Whilst it was just the vulnerable we could cope as we could still go out to walk. We have no garden.

If the crazy want to carry on mixing. Let them. The vulnerable can hide if they choose.

Test like South Korea and isolate the pockets of disease.

We should not be allowing governments to use this as a way to take away our freedom.

If the crazy want to carry on mixing. Let them. The vulnerable can hide if they choose

But the crazy aren’t just hurting themselves ffs.

When they get ill they will be calling for ambulances - so the heart attack victim can’t get one.
When they are taking up ITU beds - the car crash victim can’t get one
When they are on life support - the child with meningitis can’t get one.

I've signed the government petition for a lockdown as I honestly don't trust the general public to have enough sense to follow the social distancing strategies.

This is exactly what is happening and why we need to lock down now. It is a long read, but it explains everything perfectly.

medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

So what is the answer out of curiosity?

OP you are selfish - people like you will result in the toughest lockdown so suck it up.

Can someone explain to me what Peter Hitchens was suggesting as an alternative?

Testing and contact tracing was an answer but that shop sailed weeks ago.

We are where we are. People are blatantly ignoring "advice". So next step, unfortunately, is lockdown.

Bring it on.

Yea if you're lucky enough not to be a key worker and able to stay off work that's fine.

In a couple of days Italy will have been in 'proper' lockdown (not as strict as China, though) for 2 weeks and we'll be able to see whether it has a significant impact.

I was under the impression that it takes up to 2 weeks to get the illness after exposure then another 2 weeks to get ill enough to die. Meaning those dying now are those exposed 4 weeks ago. Won’t it take another 2 weeks to show if quarantine has worked?

To anyone complaining about a few weeks in lockdown I have one thing to say: Anne Frank.

@EatCakeBeMerry read the article I just posted. Here it is again.

medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

I agree. The only solution to build herd immunity between the healthy. A lockdown will have to go on for months to be anywhere near effective.

OP you are on denial. Thinking that we are overreacting is just a natural reaction. Our great grandparents probably thought the same in the early stages of WWII. This is not ideal, it’s bad for the economy, mental health, physical health, our society... but we have no choice. Young healthy people are dying. It will only hit people when somebody healthy they know dies (or a famous healthy person). It’s a shit situation and a shit time to be alive but we have to deal with it and hiding our head in the sand will not make it go away.

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It is too late here to test and isolate, we have to lockdown and threads like this that are minimising the problem are irresponsible.

@Enough4me please can you post a link to the petition

477 is the median figure where they caught flu, developed complications and died from flu.

@YappityYapYap I’ll take Public Health England and Full Fact’s figures over yours (I note you don’t back up your claims with any links to evidence either) but thanks all the same.

Again, for anyone who wants the facts on flu:

Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 1,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu.

Source: fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-compare-influenza/

This is why:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=fgBla7RepXU

It’s the ‘It’s ok to be smart’ really clear and easy explanation of exponential growth and people really need to grasp it - sadly it won’t just be the stupid, selfish twats who are ignoring the advice who die (because if that were the case I’d think fuck it, let them get on with it..), it’ll be innocent people dying and unthinkable decisions about who dies having to be made by frontline NHS staff.

I hope we lockdown within days & it will have a devastating financial impact on my (self-employed, renting with no back up) family but it will stop the fuckwittery of the ignorant and selfish and save lives - clearly our expections of people to have any sense or social responsibility were way too optimistic..

Flu can contribute to a death and goes towards the figures as 'flu death' but these are in people who are literally at deaths door already from cancer, heart disease and other serious medical conditions.

And exactly the same applies to coronavirus - while it can kill the young and healthy, the vast majority of those who’ve died in Italy have had “underlying health conditions”.

Ok @NellyGrace, do what you think is best for you. But do try to remember that people far more qualified than you have come up with real solutions.
I mean, I do presume you are in business continuity and emergency planning? So what do you suggest? Please let us know!

because of the amount of morons in the UK(and world), who think that social distancing does not apply to them, it is essential we lock down

im praying monday he announced it for tuesday 12pm like italy(?)

By the time you lockdown you are 2 weeks too late because that is how long the virus has been growing at an exponential rate.

4 weeks of a full lockdown means you are able to return to something like normality sooner with a smaller economic impact. We should have done this sooner and personally we have been social distancing before it became compulsory.

Heard today that a friend's doctor child, who was in a relatively "safe" specialty, has started coughing. Want to have anyone left to treat you if you fall ill when this is over?

This is the closest to war that any of us will every experience. It's going to be shit, it's going to be scary and many will emerge traumatised from the other side. However you have to suck it up and do what is instructed of you, which is STAY INSIDE. Or you can flout the rules and live the rest of your life knowing that your actions and attitude indirectly caused the deaths of heroic medical staff and vulnerable patients. The NHS is heading for a complete meltdown similar to Italy and I can't believe people are still whinging about their personal freedoms.

OP you're being short sighted and unbelievably selfish.

We have a vulnerable family member and have been isolating for 9 days. This is unsustainable. It will drive us mad.

Better mad than dead. Suck it up.

I am not in denial at all. This is dreadful. But I just know that lockdown is not going to work