Lockdown is not the answer

[NellyGrace]

We have a vulnerable family member and have been isolating for 9 days. This is unsustainable. It will drive us mad.

Whilst it was just the vulnerable we could cope as we could still go out to walk. We have no garden.

If the crazy want to carry on mixing. Let them. The vulnerable can hide if they choose.

Test like South Korea and isolate the pockets of disease.

We should not be allowing governments to use this as a way to take away our freedom.

I'm not really interested in that it's an inconvenience to you op.

What concerns me is the number of infections/ deaths that are surging and that we do, as a country, what we are asked to do.

And you know this how?

But I just know that lockdown is not going to work

How do you ‘know’ this?

Why won’t it work?

You might find this a useful thread to help you understand OP.

A View From Lockdown in China www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3855647-A-View-From-Lockdown-in-China

Look at other countries that have better figures than Italy and look at what they have done and are doing.
Look at Taiwan, HK and Singapore.
And for the love of all things that are sensible: look at China!

I find it very scary to read that young healthy people are dying, especially as I thought it was mainly a relatively mild illness & people with underlying medical conditions were the ones most at risk. I haven’t seen up to date figures but presume there aren’t many young people on the “ death list”

And we so needed to follow Germany’s example!

Lockdown is to slow the spread so the NHS can cope, it isnt expected to be pleasant but it is neccesary and as an NHS worker I can say it is much needed

If we had locked down early this may have worked. Even then there would have been the problem of the virus taking hold again on our release.

It’s too late now. As others have pointed out it’s going to be a month before things are stable and months more to wipe the virus out. How long can people be locked up for?

For as long as necessary.

@Dogsandbabies Did you not see the graphs produced for the government by Imperial college scientists? The idiotic idea of herd immunity would have overwhelmed the capacity of the NHS to treat corona, let alone anything else very, very rapidly.

We should be in lockdown NOW.

I think it will be 18 month before things fully return to normal but hopefully we may have a few more freedoms by the summer if we’re lucky.

This model is from the US, but the same principle applies here. This is what happens if we do not lockdown, and go for herd immunity.

All those cases that should be in ICU, but are above the red line, will die.

Dear God. Sometimes I despair at what I read on Mumsnet.

Lockdown won’t work, it’s too late and I’ll go nuts if I have to isolate any more.

FFS. Have you seen the images of ICU in Italy? Have you seen the videos of CHIlDREN gasping for breath around the world? Have you been keeping a watch of the sheer number of people dying in short period of time?

But, you’re sick of being inside, so I guess screw everyone else.

Who wants to survive and find themselves queuing for government rations?

There are still people around who remember that wartime rationing lasted for another 9 years after the end of the conflict, until 1954. Judging by the response of the British public to the current crisis, the government should have already introduced rationing. Compare this with the public response in some other European countries - there are no food shortages and no panic buying in Switzerland or Austria.

Death from starvation or homelessness etc is coming for millions

After the war, the government undertook a huge housebuilding programme, supported businesses and individuals through improved unemployment support and set up the NHS. Similar measures will be needed if Corona turns into such a catastrophe that millions of people might be dying of starvation. If there is one positive thing that might come out of all this, it must be the end of the 'Me! Me! Me! - Now! Now! Now!' attitude that has taken over private and political life over the last 40 years.

We. Should have lockdown with massive testing, this way you could clear whole areas within a month

And here is the suppression model.

Compare this with the public response in some other European countries - there are no food shortages and no panic buying in Switzerland or Austria.

@Havanananana interesting - why is that?

@Rosehip10
I am modeller and I have looked at the model extensively as well as it's massive flaws. There is no clear answer and lives will unfortunately be lost either way. But if calling me an idiot makes you feel better about yourself then please crack on!

Millions dead? Or thousands?

That's the choice between herd immunity and lockdown.

OP you are selfish - people like you will result in the toughest lockdown so suck it up.

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Look, OP, you do realise that if the NHS is overwhelmed, the chances of you doing dying a preventable death from something other than Corona is much, much higher? Someone on here waited five hours for an ambulance for a child with suspected meningitis this week. So be selfish, think of yourself, even if you can't think of the many thousands who will die or the exhausted NHS workers already on their knees, crying before potentially deadly shifts, who watched MPs APPLAUD when their latest request for a pay rise was defeated, but who still turn up to work to keep total strangers alive. Because fi the NHS crumbles under the onslaught of this virus, there will be no help for you if you suffer head injuries or a heart attack, you selfish, selfish person.

Did you not see the graphs produced for the government by Imperial college scientists? The idiotic idea of herd immunity would have overwhelmed the capacity of the NHS to treat corona, let alone anything else very, very rapidly.

@Rosehip10 What did Imperial College scientists say - that herd immunity was not the right course of action in this situation?

I think your an idiot,

The only group of people proven not to be vulnerable are 5-10 year olds, a 39 year old mother who goes to the gym is fit and healthy was in ICU for 7 days with a cannula sewn into her artery.

A 27 year old mother died in Poland.

YOU and I are NOT invisible, no one is! It is luck whether you need help to fight this virus and it is luck whether you live or DIE! The only thing with a 99% guarantee is the fact you WILL die if you have underlying health problem and are old!

Like people keep saying. Our grandparents lied about their age to go out and FIGHT for our country to live, we are being asked to sit on our backside for a few weeks and everyone can't even do that!! 🤦🏻‍♀️