As a childminder I have closed for 4 weeks. I won't get paid during this period and still don't know if this will be recognised by the government. The rules are open to interpretation and we are seeing unqualified and unregistered people Offering childcare to lots of children and other mindees taking on double their numbers which seems ridiculous at a time we should be social distancing.
Schools have said they can only offer containment and not education for the foreseeable.

Can I ask why nannies are allowed to keep operating, including nanny shares (where multiple families share one nanny), whilst childminders are not? And why does the ban apply only to English, rather than all UK, childminders?
We are parents of a toddler, and really struggling here. However, whilst our childminder has closed, we see a proliferation of nannies in the local area.

I'm a nursery practitioner, so a critical worker, but I am classed as vulnerable due to very severe, uncontrolled asthma. I also have a child with a long term condition, also on the vulnerable condition list. Where do I stand? Do I go to work, sending my children to school, for us to potentially catch the virus, which could lead to serious complications and more strain on the NHS or do we stay home? Obviously I want to do all I can to help, but I can't risk leaving my own children motherless. I feel very torn and conflicted. The key worker list is so long, that our numbers haven't really dropped at all at work.

Im going to be working additional hours (nhs) and will have a massive increase in nursery fees due to grandparent not being able to help anymore and due to the increase in hours. I want to do all I can to help but as a single parent I’m worried about paying the additional fees. Do you know if there will be any help for key workers with this. Thank you

Can my childminder claim her early years funding? If so do I still have to pay the additional top up? What happens if their income is guaranteed as mentioned in today's briefing?

A big nursery chain with a branch near where I live has told parents it will continue to open for all children, effectively ignoring guidance. Will the government have any means to sanction?

Childminders income is not guaranteed. The gov have said we can apply for UC but I'm on tax credits and being given an extra £80 a month. I can't claim esa as cant actually get an appointment at the local hub and you can't apply on line! We are still waiting on how we will be helped.

@RowanMumsnet I'm really quite shocked that Mumsnet has portrayed this as a source of impartial information around whether fees need to still be paid. It's from an organisation representing service providers, of course they are going to say that parents still need to pay! In reality parents in this situation have the benefit of consumer rights legislation which doesn't permit T&Cs to contain unreasonable terms. Obviously we don't have any court cases yet on whether an ongoing requirement for parents to pay regardless of whether any service is actually being provided in a pandemic situation is an unreasonable term, but it's certainly not as simple as "you have to pay if the T&Cs say so".

Same as MoochPooch. We get the 30 hours funded childcare for our 3 year old but we're expected to pay £150 per month on top of that to top it up to what the childminder actually charges. She will still get the government funding but do we still need to pay the top up?!

@CatAnnoyance I don't think it's fair to pay full fees personally

I don’t think parents can be expected to pay here, especially given the uncertainty about the length of closure.

I know that the parents at my nursery wouldn’t pay anyway, but nor could I bring myself to charge them.

The government will pay 80% of staff wages as a retainer and the local authorities are still paying out the early years funding, so any nurseries that close are in a much better position tonight than they were a week ago.

Operating a nursery for the children of keyworkers in the current climate however is another matter entirely. I want my nursery to stay open - I want to provide a service for NHS workers, police, supermarket shelf stackers, etc. What’s more, the government has ordered me to keep the nursery open for the children of those essential workers.

HOWEVER - there are only 8 children who qualify for essential places at my nursery. If the staff continue to work, I can’t get any help with their wages because they are not ‘retained’ (and no doubt they would prefer to be on an 80% salary). But 8 kids will not bring in enough money to pay the staff, the rent and all the other overheads.

Yet still there is no information from the government on what they might do to help. I don’t think they have thought it through at all.

It is ridiculous that childminders are included in this ban, mine only has my daughter for almost half the week, and one other child the rest of the time, so two kids max. What’s the difference between her sitting at my childminder’s house or sitting at mine? Couldn’t there just be restrictions on where the childminder takes the kids, ie observes social distancing and doesn’t attend parks/soft play or gatherings?

I can understand for larger settings the risk of infection is high, but my daughter’s risk of infection sitting in a house all day with 1/2 people is very low. By adding childminders to this ban, the government have knee-jerk removed one of the few ways parents could get care for their children and carry on working. If you have any lobby power, please could you discuss this with someone at HQ and get this silly rule overturned.

A big nursery chain with a branch near where I live has told parents it will continue to open for all children, effectively ignoring guidance. Will the government have any means to sanction?

I would like to know this too.

Many private day nurseries I know are sticking two fingers up at the advice and carrying on as normal.

I am a key worker with a 18month old. My husband is a key worker. Can you explain if we have to send our toddler to school? Or will they go to an age appropriate setting? Thank you

My hubby is a key worker and I am not. I have work on Monday with no means of working from home yet.
The schools have rejected our applications for childcare under one parent being a key worker. They state both parents have to be key workers. Is this correct?

That's incorrect, only one parent is required to be a key worker. See 5.2 here


www.gov.uk/government/publications/closure-of-educational-settings-information-for-parents-and-carers/closure-of-educational-settings-information-for-parents-and-carers#critical-workers

@EYProvider you keep a number of staff on to cover those 8 kids and pay them as normal. The rest of the staff you put on the government backed retainer. I would have thought.

Our nursery has said it will remain open for everyone next week while they seek clarification from the government. But sounds like they should be closed except for key workers now?

@PippaPegg - You need 3 members of staff with 8 kids.

2 at all times, do an extra person to do nappy changes, cover lunch breaks, etc.

Then you need someone in the kitchen to prepare and cook the food. And a cleaner to work 2-2.5 hours at the end of each day.

My nursery is in London, so the rent is astronomical and the landlord unsympathetic. Add to that heating, lighting, etc., and there is no way of making it work.

You need at least 12 kids to be able to break even.

In Scotland both parents need to be key workers to qualify for the key worker provision :(

My manager has decided that practically every parent is a key worker so us opening for everyone next week
It seems they have looked at the list as a means of entitlement rather than looking at need, so the child of a car mechanic will be coming in even though mum is at home and doesn’t work
I feel like it’s profit over people and my health is being put at risk because the director doesn’t want to upset the customer
This can’t be allowed to continue, there must be some way of checking that settings are only providing care to enable critical workers to go to work

I forgot to add, my childminder is passive-aggressively telling us that unless we continue to pay the fees then they can't hold a place for us! Is that right?

*My manager has decided that practically every parent is a key worker so us opening for everyone next week
It seems they have looked at the list as a means of entitlement rather than looking at need, so the child of a car mechanic will be coming in even though mum is at home and doesn’t work
I feel like it’s profit over people and my health is being put at risk because the director doesn’t want to upset the customer
This can’t be allowed to continue, there must be some way of checking that settings are only providing care to enable critical workers to go to work
*
We're in a similar situation. Only a small handful of families don't qualify. We're going to be caring for children while both parents are working from home, or where one parent is on maternity leave or doesn't work. Some parents haven't specified their job role, they've just told us that they qualify. Others have 'modified' their job title to make it part of the list.

@stardance
It’s ridiculous, it really is

Is there a cap on nursery attendance? DH is a teacher but our nursery have said that they're full, but we usually have two full time places. Another parent said 20%?