To say please don't go to your second home

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With talk of London going into lockdown tomorrow can I remind second home owners that Cornwall has one hospital. Devon has four hospitals. Where I live in Devon there is no food in any of the supermarkets. Please, please stay away, our communities cannot deal with an influx.

I had no idea cornwall has only got one hospital. That's fucking appalling.

These areas are glad enough of second homers and holiday makers' money to keep them afloat.

It isn't the second homers being selfish. We want your money but we don't want you?

Right.

I live in Brittany and the animosity that has been directed to the Parisiens who shot down here as soon as Macron announced the shut down is incredible.

Yep, in hindsight the mistake there was President Macron making the announcement at 8 PM that the movement restrictions would start Noon next day.

APurpleSquirrel if the second home owners are distancing themselves properly and the over 70s are doing what they're supposed to be doing, staying at home then there shouldn't be a problem.

I can't see why I'm being selfish or irresponsible. It makes sense to go to the second home for a lot of people. This thread illustrates how so many people are thinking of themselves, not just the Londoners with two homes.

I've no stake in this. Just commenting that I'd be fine with second home owners in our village coming down - no problem.

I think a statement needs releasing about this, I was hoping that it would come hand in hand with the school closure announcement.

Cornwall doesn’t have one hospital - that’s drama mongering. But all the hospitals in Cornwall are part of one NHS Trust.

Orkney and the Western Isles have no confirmed cases but the holiday makers are coming. Very little in the way of hospital provision. Very few supermarkets. And you have to get a ferry or plane to get there.

goodbyestranger the hospitals are already sharing the load, Derriford is treating virus patients all brought in from elsewhere. If you come here, doesn’t mean you’ll get treated here if you need hospitalisation

MrsMozart agreed, saw a kid get run over in Cornwall a couple of years ago (thankfully he was ok) ambulance turned up after nearly an hour and called for the air ambulance because the nearest hospital was 1 1/2 hours away by the winding roads

Yes, please stay where you are.

I agree we have vulnerable family members that live in a rural beauty spot that's likely to be flooded with second homers.
The only proper hospital is hours away on isolated rural roads, food is very limited.
The local butcher has told people privately that he will ban all incomes will priorities locals. I hope all the other shops follow suite.

had no idea cornwall has only got one hospital. That's fucking appalling.

It is, but they really do the best they can.

MMN123 spot the second homer.

It may well be that the hospitals will be overwhelmed anyway, but I live in a place where there are huge numbers of holiday homes and it could double the patients through the door of our one local hospital, which isn’t prepared. It could double the deaths.

And that’s before you consider that London is the most heavily infected region, so they’ll also be ensuring that the virus spreads wider and more rapidly.

Just fucking selfish. But it’s about what I’d expect.

Population in London is much younger so will be far lower % cases needing hospitalisation, and hospitals in London have higher number of ICU beds and ventilators in any case.

Telegraph article gives numbers here:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/18/hospitals-outside-london-danger-overwhelmed-major-coronavirus/

I posted about this last weekend, We live in an apartment building where the majority of residents have second homes, this week the building has plainly been full, the carpark is full and there is no sign of people leaving, what I have seen is neighbours bringing home office equipment etc.

We are staying here, mostly for selfish reasons, I dont want to be 20/30 miles away from a small hospital. In my heart I would dearly love to leave, I think its a 'flight or fight' response almost, my head tells me better.

These areas are glad enough of second homers money to keep them afloat.

You’re kidding, aren’t you?
You must be kidding.
Second homers bring nothing at all to the rural economy. In fact, they actively damage it.
Utterly deluded.

I live in the Lake District and want to say the same thing. Don't come up here. All you'll do is spread the virus and put more strain on our supermarkets who are already under more pressure than they can cope with.

Yeah Norfolk definitely doesn’t want you. You won’t be welcomed at all, we’re struggling enough as it is without second home yuppies swarming around.

If people have the choice between staying in London or the country you can hardly blame them for wanting to leave now before the option goes. The fact the infrastructure is so poor is something that should have been sorted by the government. We have on average 2 hospital beds per person in the UK. Eur average is 6. If you voted Tory, I honestly have a hard time giving sympathy.

I’m in NW Wales. The owner of the last standing holiday home in our street (most of the street was holiday homes when I moved into my home which was also a holiday home before I bought it), rocked up yesterday. It has begun!

I dont want to be 20/30 miles away from a small hospital. In my heart I would dearly love to leave, I think its a 'flight or fight' response almost, my head tells me better.

Totally understand this. I think it's human nature to want to get to less populated areas in this situation. But better to stay, as you say, not only for moral reasons, but because I really think it might be safer to be nearer bigger urban hospitals, in some cases anyway.

@DruryLanePenance you seriously think rural hospitals can cope better than LONDON?! The mind boggles.

@stouffer I’m in Cumbria and work in tourism. All bars restaurants and pubs in the lakes are still full of people, its really making me angry, they have zero consideration that they are putting the locals at a much higher risk. We have 40 cases now which is one of the highest outside of London and Glasgow, even Manchester doesn’t have so many. We have nowhere near enough ambulances, my Mum waited an hour for one last year and that was a suspected heart attack. Our hospitals are woefully inadequate, in S lakes we get sent to Barrow or Lancaster, Lancaster needed an extra 63 beds 3 weeks ago before this even started. Its really, really bad.

You’re kidding, aren’t you?

No. Just know the facts.

You must be kidding.

Nope. Maybe you should do some research.

Second homers bring nothing at all to the rural economy. In fact, they actively damage it.

Utter bollocks. Educate yourself. Parts of north Wales rely totally on tourism.

Utterly deluded.

That's you, dear.

Although I do think some people on here are being unnecessarily unpleasant about Londoners/ Southerners and I say this as a Yorkshirewoman.

Another one from Cornwall here. I keep posting on these threads though I fear I'm wasting my breath. But once more!

Our health services cannot cope as it is, our population is made up of lots of vulnerable and elderly people who will need the limited health care we can provide. Already maternity services etc are being hit. This could go on for some time. Thinking about healthcare outside of covid and people are sometimes waiting weeks and months for non urgent gp appointments, have to reach crisis point for mental health support. We've just been on the nhs dentist waiting list for over 7 years. And even then it was the luck of me ringing round regularly to get one.

Prior to all this gp surgeries have closed so the existing ones are already struggling. Let's hope anyone flocking down here doesn't have a non covid related health need.

Lots of people are very low earners/in poverty and are struggling to afford what food is left on the shelves. Seems no ones panic buying truffle infused vegan mayonnaise oddly enough. There are no online supermarket delivery slots for over 2 weeks. People are struggling to get nappies, bread, formula. There have been physical fights in supermarkets. It's much the same as elsewhere.

And we have lots and lots more cases than it would appear. My children are now off school with symptoms. As is half their classes, 10+ of their teachers. Some of these may be due to underlying conditions etc. But many do actually have symptoms now.

Yes there's nice fresh air on the coast. Though that's not much good in the event of a full lockdown should that happen. Plus these places aren't lovely and isolated in high season and may be even worse with locals out of school/work. So maybe not quite the tranquil social distancing opportunities people are hoping for. And many parts of Cornwall are amongst the most deprived areas in the country. It's not all cream teas and fresh air. My family are currently at home, but in the future if we have restrictions placed on travelling a certain distance from our home for exercise as some countries have experienced, we'll get the joys of a graffiti covered, dog poo filled lane to walk in. And maybe a park that is missing half it's play equipment if we're really lucky.

I don't think people are selfish for wanting what's best for their families, we all want that. But it will have huge repercussions for areas that aren't set up for a sudden influx of people in a time of crisis.