Being overweight is a underlying condition

[Oakmaiden]

I had totally missed this.

If you have a BMI above 40 then you are considered to be at high risk and should self isolate for 12 weeks.

Anyone know why?

I have a relevant “underlying condition” (asthma). It’s not a pleasant experience to suddenly be included in a group of “vulnerable” people who need to take particular care.
I agree it’s necessary for people to know the additional risk. But is now really the time to be catty about weight/asthma/diabetes/etc? Really?

"Type 2 diabetes is associated with an unhealthy lifestyle; the risk of asthma is increased in people living in areas of high pollution....surely they could be considered as lifestyle choices too? How about someone at risk of respiratory depression through cocaine or opioid misuse or with high levels of inflammation through drinking alcohol daily? Not on the high risk list but potentially in need of treatment."

The post I was quoting mentioned type 1 diabetes. Not type 2.

I thought we were supposed to be working together to help people through this crisis. Reaching out to each other, caring for each others mental health, holding each other up.

Apart from fat people. They've brought it on themselves and should be last in line for medical support. So lets use MN to give their mental health a good kicking under the guise of 'just stating facts'.

"Many people have made a 'feature' out of being fat... it's their thing, their superpower, they are a BBW etc
but we are plunged into this crisis and there is now no mileage whatsoever to be made out of being obese"

Sounds like their are trying to justify being fat.

It’s all HM Gov’s fault. They don’t tax shit good enough.

Ive got a feeling the cost of this crisis may go a little towards remedying that.

My BMI is 40 plus and. I have no health conditions at all. Cheers

And of course being fat for your health. You are not telling us anything new with your faux concern. Just sticking the boot into the fatties.

I have severe PCOS, severe hypothyroidism with an autoimmune disorder that means any infection makes my immune system go haywire. It takes me a lot of effort to remain a healthy BMI and maintain my fitness but I manage. People using these conditions to justify being at a 40-60 bmi when most women with these conditions are in the 23-35 mark with a lot of effort make me so angry. Don’t prioritise your health if you don’t want to but don’t you dare use health conditions that other people manage effectively as an excuse

Some top-notch fatlogic on here.

Apart from fat people. They've brought it on themselves and should be last in line for medical support. So lets use MN to give their mental health a good kicking under the guise of 'just stating facts'.

I wonder how many of the posters expressing such hatred of fat people on this thread would refuse to be treated by an overweight or obese healthcare provider, of which there are many

Lilly193 the example given was T1 diabetic.

“A very overweight person
A smoker
An asthmatic
A t1 diabetic."

Personally if they were all equal risk I hope the doctors would give treatment to the the asthmatic or diabetic because they are not the fault of the individual. Smoking and obesity are lifestyle choices”

Not by me btw, just pointing out you may not have taken that info in ^

Hypoventiliation could be an issue for the obese, also some vitamin deficencies are more common in the obese.

@makingmiracles but those pictures don’t say anything about BMI. I assume they would all have different BMI based on height even if same weight

Many people who are overweight have issues like addiction, mental health issues or chronic physical pain which preceeded the weight gain. Medication can also have an effect so lets just try to have some compassion, nobody is perfect or without weaknesses.

Telling someone that obesity increases their risk of c-19 = valid. It doesn't infer judgement, it is factual.

Telling someone they "just don’t want to/can’t be bothered to take the steps to improve their health" = stiking the boot in for the fun of it. It is loaded with judgement and is far from facual - actually going against the science and studies into weight etc.

Telling someone that increased fat levels might be compressing their lungs and reducing capacity = fact.

Telling someone who is overweight that their responses are being used for some kind of "fatlogic bingo" = smug and mean.

Telling someone that being obsese might also mean they have underlying health conditions that hs so far gone unnoticed or undiagnosed but which might affect their ability to bat c-19 = fact.

Telling them they are putting "feelz over facts" = goady use of a soundbite.

It's really not that hard to see the difference.

Most fat people know they are fat and struggle with there weight, exercise and food everyday. I am sure this will be a huge wake up call to many, many people in all aspects of their health weight included but at the moment being nasty about it and saying they should just be left to die is horrific and so unkind.

The fat haters are here. Saddos.

Hear hear Girlyou, exactly. My BMI is over 40 and I accept that puts me at greater risk and have been practicing extra social distancing since the advice came out. There's no need to be nasty ...
Also, it's probably more likely that us fatties will need hospital treatment if we get it, thus putting more strain on the NHS when it needs it least - same for older people. I read a paper from China that 20% people with COVID-19 overall ended up needing hospital treatment, whereas the number was 30% for older people. The advice is there for a reason, we should all do our best to follow it. And try being kind while we're at it. I have 1.5 stone to get under 40 BMI and am doing my best to get there so that I feel like I can be of some use, rather than a potential burden.

saying they should just be left to die

Is anybody saying this though? I can see that some people have described a hypothetical situation where other CV patients may be prioritised over the MO. Others, myself included, have pointed out that the MO are at risk anyway. Nobody has said they should be left to die, only that they might.

Being obese affects your ability to breathe.

God some posters are absolutely wetting themselves at being able to pillory those who are obese.

I'm not obese I have MS though. Happy to give up my 'slot' on life-saving treatment for somebody >40 bmi just to spite the obesity-twats that trawl mumsnet.

I'm at BMI 30 (obese), have asthma and hypertension.

I'm also an essential worker, so complete self isolation isn't possible.

All I can do is take reasonable precautions and hope.

Morbidly obese patients are very difficult to ventilate .The weight puts pressure on the chest and then of course the ventilator and makes full ventilation of the lungs more complicated.They tend to' fight' the ventilator if you like and need constant observation.

And who gets the ventilator should be decided on clinical decisions, not on who you think is more "deserving".

There is also in developed countries a very strong correlation between poverty and fatness. In reality anti fatness is really anti poor people.

People are vile.