Being overweight is a underlying condition

[Oakmaiden]

I had totally missed this.

If you have a BMI above 40 then you are considered to be at high risk and should self isolate for 12 weeks.

Anyone know why?

well said @alloutoffucks

Perhaps the person choosing who to treatvshould decide who is more useful to society?

The oncologist first
Then the nurse
Then the care worker
Then the plumber and the electrician and gas engineer
Then the primary school teacher
The social workers
Then the secondary core subject teacher
Then the secondary non core subject teacher
Then the engineer
Office workers towards the end of the queue depending upon how socially useful their work is.
MLM "business" owners pretty close to last
Cold callers and personal wealth managers for the hyper rich and anyone else with a greed motivated job - ambulance chasers too - dead last.

Seems just as fair if treatment is a moral judgement based on who was "asking for it" by being fat/ a smoker, not an innocent victim like t1 diabetics and asthmatics (some ashmatics are ex smokers of course...) rather than on cold facts - just odds of survival.

Perhaps the person choosing who to treat should decide who is more useful to society
yer but... we dont got time for all that shit in an emergency situation

Again, feelz over facts, feelz over facts, and more feelz over facts.

if you are very obese then you have knowingly traveled the path that (should your health start to fail) leads you to this kind of situation:
Morbidly obese patients are very difficult to ventilate .The weight puts pressure on the chest and then of course the ventilator and makes full ventilation of the lungs more complicated.They tend to' fight' the ventilator if you like and need constant observation

It will likely be by age and then underlying health condition.
As you can see many older with health issues are dying anyway and they aren't even overloaded yet.
Jeremy hunt tried to pin them down to an order of priority document.
I think 50% of icu cases don't make it anyway. You can see from China it can take weeks/months for people to recover.

My BMI is currently 32.5. Not morbidly obese but definitely in the obese category. I put 4st on during pregnancy, going from normal to obese in a short space of time, and I can feel the difference massively. I can go for long walks but if I try to do more strenuous exercise I get out of breath much more easily. My lungs are definitely having to work harder. It's been a year and a half since DS was born and I've lost over a stone, but I still have a long way to go.

I posted this link the other day on a thread edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/opinions/improve-chances-against-coronavirus-opinion-phillips/index.html as I found it very inspirational. I am taking this virus as the kick up the bum I need to prioritise my weight. I started Slimming World on Monday and need to lose about a stone to get out of the obese category and into the overweight category. I had been struggling with diets before but this is perfect motivation for me. It's easy for me to turn down crisps now knowing what's to come. I don't want to be obese when this virus gets to me.

Same here panic. I needed motivation - I wasn't expecting this

My BMI is 40 plus and. I have no health conditions at all

It’s not about having other conditions. It’s about your bodies ability to cope with an additional respiratory disease due to the strain your respiratory system is already under.😞

FWIW, and for all those who wail ''you skinny bitches don't know what it's like!''

This time in 2015 my BMI was 34. Today it's 22. I was VERY fucking fat. And made every excuse under the Sun, and shared every HAES meme, and the fatlogic I spouted would give VIrgie Tovar a run for her money.

And then I lost the weight. Quality of life much improved. All the health issues I had to contend with? GONE. I'm afraid I will come down quite hard on any denial/misinformation/fatlogic that I see, because I've been there, I used to say the same things, and I know it's all BULLSHIT and why I used to say it.

Being fat isn’t always a choice. I believe we all have a natural shape. I’ve always been naturally quite slim. I am the biggest I’ve ever been now but that’s about 10 stone and a size 10 so not big by most people’s standards and follows having my first child. Whatever I eat or don’t eat my weight doesn’t change massively. I’m sure there are people much bigger than me who eat a similar amount or less. There seems to be an assumption that anyone who is overweight is so because they eat too much or are lazy when actually they could eat the same as you or me and do a similar amount of exercise.

UYScuti yes I was being facetious - it makes as much sense as "its your fault you're fat, its not my fault I'm asthmatic, therefore me before you!"

Moral judgements like that shouldn't come into clinical descisions. If they do you have to prioritise people by whether they're good or socially useful.

Size ten career shop lifter over size 20 care worker?

10 stone 6 foot drug dealer over 20 stone virologist?

There will be no value judgements, no judgements based on who is most deserving, any judgement will be simply on who is more likely to survive.

That's known as the zeal of the convert... It makes for some jaw dropping levels of fanatically judgmental black and white thinking.

I know and I'm with you anothernotherone!

Bluntness100 as it should be.

The people on this thread trying to make it about blame, fault and moral superiority are very blinkered indeed and its a very good job they're not the ones making life or death decisions.

Zeal of the 'convert'... bwahahahaha, are you even listening to yourself?!

More denial.

At this rate we are going to get rationing so between that and the stress I suspect I’ll be losing some weight anyway.

My weight is 38.2 on bmi scale so on the cusp, im a single mum. This is my wake up call to get this weight shifted

And those saying people like me deserve to die, joke would be on you if my children ended up without a mother, would cost the tax payer a hefty sum putting them all into foster care. Nice, just lovely

Yes, another, agree, it will be purely a clinical decision if it gets to that stage, hopefully it never does.

Basically all the government have said is that when you’re significantly overweight you’re vulnerable to this being much more serious for you. They are trying to smooth the demand on the nhs and who needs a bed. Seriously overweight and you’ve a much higher chance you will need one.

Telling people who are vulnerable to under take stringent social distancing is sensible, so they don’t end up needing a hospital bed. They need to keep people safe as much as they can and not needing hospitalisation until they can find a treatment to cure it.

It's because of the pressure on the respiratory system. Some people in that group will have sleep apnea.

@NotDisclosedToday

Personally if they were all equal risk I hope the doctors would give treatment to the the asthmatic or diabetic because they are not the fault of the individual. Smoking and obesity are lifestyle choices.

No its not always. Hypothyroid patients gain loads of weight when thyroid function slows down and are often unable to lose it even with medication as it impacts how your metabolism works. Similarly chemotherapy patients also gain a significant amount of weight when undergoing cancer treatment. There are lots of medical conditions that cause people to gain weight either directly or indirectly through forcing inactivity. Don't assume that everyone is overweight because they made a "lifestyle choice"

no one is saying that anyone deserves to die we are talking about risk factors
compared to a non obese person (and with all other variables held equal) you are at higher risk of dying from CV if you have high bodyfat levels
having high levels of bodyfat means that all your organs and tissues are under greater strain than if you had lower bodyfat levels