To think this FB post is incredibly irresponsible!

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I can’t believe what I’m seeing... a few pubs on FB are sharing this post encouraging people to keep coming. I don’t know where to begin with the stupidity here... (see attached pic) Yes in times of “crisis” we usually all go to the pub - arguably unless that “crisis” is a viral disease?! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Am I being unreasonable, is this completely irresponsible?

People saying you are living your life and will go where you want and asking others to not go if they don’t wish -

are you thick? Do you not understand the concept of social distancing? Do you actually think this epidemic is resolved if Jane does as she chooses and Tom does as he chooses?

Because of Boris not just telling us to fucking close we'll be open for tonight (St Paddy's Day) and for the foreseeable future.

Nope, you are open not because Boris has not told you to close, but because your management are selfish, stupid and unethical.

Unhomme brilliant 😂😂

@ArgumentativeAardvaark No it is because of Boris.
Because Boris did not order a close business can not claim on their insurance.

He didn't want to force his mates to pay out. So now companies have to throw together an emergency plan.

Doorman, bar staff, cleaners, glass collectors. All paid as they work and have no safety net.

@Unhomme don’t exacerbate things!

@PlainBritishFlour you are 100% wrong on the insurance point.

It was confirmed today that the govt has told Insurers to pay out. Listen to the press conference and the question from the FT journalist. However very few businesses actually purchased that cover in the first place.

Oh there’s loads! I’ve seen quite a few cafe and restaurants saying they are still taking customers and doing their best to keep everything clean. Stuff like changing the table cloth after each customer and stuff like that. Other restaurants are just doing take away only which is much more sensible.

Don't be angry at the businesses. Be angry at the gov who refuses to shut them down officially and because of that they can't claim on insurance 🤷

@BodiesMakeForGoodFertiliser wrong. It has been clarified today.

I will.
But the bottom line is That tonight people alll over the country will be going to nightclubs. Touching. Coughing, drinking. Those tables wont be cleaned anymore than usual. Nor the bar. Nor the money.

The staff have plenty of soap and hand sanitizers because the company did a deal with a supplier.

Then all those people will be leaving the club pissed out of their minds.

Then tomorrow they will take their children to school, they will go to work, they will go or e shops and generally carry on with their lives.

Boris is absolutely to blame for this shit show. Maybe not sole blame. But defiantly a decent fucking chunk.

They either need to be shut or business as nearly normal, this half assed advice of avoid some things but not others is ridiculous.

Go to a busy supermarket and go to work (with in my case 250 other people with one canteen and shared toilets and showers.) but don't go to Nando's 🤷🏻‍♀️

I was actually having arguments with my friend, she said what's different from going to the pub and going to the supermarkets, both with a lot of people. There are massive difference imo. In the supermarkets, they don't spend hours speaking to others, in the same space with others. But in the restaurants/ bars./pubs, you spend a lot of time sitting down, in contact with same people, for prolonged period of time.
It really doesnt make any difference how clean the place is, if one positive person is there, and you spent significant time with that person, you will most likely to get it. Unlike you go through the supermarket as quickly as possible without being in contact with anyone.

It's a terribly difficult situation.

Yes, they should be closing, to avoid people passing on/catching the infection.

But - if they close, they have to make their staff redundant. Huge numbers of people work in hospitality - are they all to lose their jobs?

DC1 (and 3 housemates) all work in the same bar - so none of them is highly paid. If they aren't working, they aren't paid - so they can't afford their rent. Then what happens?

There's no easy solution to this.

The package today will not support them, they won't be ok.

A maximum of 25k per business. How much do you think it costs, per day, to prop up these businesses? Out of that it has to cover wages for staff - because the government has not offered any support for those who work in gig economy style jobs. Because this is based on rateable value business who do not have premises will receive absolutely nothing. Think of all the people who are organisers, wedding planners, gig organisers and a wealth of others.

The package is actually all about loans. They have to be paid back. With interest. There will be no interest payable in the first 6 months - I.e. the business has to be back up and running again with sufficient profit to cover their new loan. At a time when the public are likely to be working through terrible poverty themselves.

Insurance, they've bravely forced insurers to pay out on policies that have pandemic cover which would trigger payment in an enforced closure. Sounds good however the vast number of businesses do not have pandemic cover and those that do are the giant businesses who can afford to pay for that cover. Additionally most of the policies that would pay out would only pay out for pandemics of notifiable diseases - which this is not.

People really don't see just how disgustingly this is being handled.

330 billion. Similar in scale to other packages around the world. Except our government has made it loans unlike any other country. In reality this package is a fraction of what is being done elsewhere.

@Bufferingkisses Is it really £25K per business?!
I'm just starting to read it now.

Is that per company or if one company owns multiple venues would each venue get £25K?

Because my company owns over 700 venues. So I don't think £25K is going to stretch very far 😳

Our local has put up similar posts. I feel for them - a lot of businesses are going to go bust because of this, but obviously it’s irresponsible to encourage people to break the social distancing. A few restaurants type pubs in my area are offering a meal delivery service which I hope will get some support by locals.

I'm being pedantic here..I'm ok to mix with over a thousand pupils , on the corridor, break duty, lessons, but not to sit in a pub with a few friends.

Of course I'm going to stay home but I'm pissed off that schools are crumbling now as staff become ill but Johnson wont close schools.

DC1 (and 3 housemates) all work in the same bar - so none of them is highly paid. If they aren't working, they aren't paid - so they can't afford their rent. Then what happens?

Landlord can get a mortgage holiday so may be more lenient about rent arrears. Not perfect, but does go some way to address the issue.

Of course, it is. Especially, if it means staff are being forced in a dangerous situation. into a And anyone who goes to the pub at the moment is an irresponsible fool.

But I do feel for them. Although the Chancellor did say today that the Government message is strong enough for small business to claim on their insurance.

All of the people of here commenting saying they are stupid clearly don’t work in cafes/restaurants or own one. I work in one, it’s open today because the owner, who only just manages as it is, is desperately worried for her business, her staff losing wages those who she would have to let go, their homes, their children, in turn because she uses local produce, if she shuts, as will the other cafes in the town, the butcher will loose out who’s already on his knees, the egg man just gets by, the local baker etc the list is endless all could potentially fold too the knock on effect is massive and life changing for so many, so that’s why these people stay open, because they are desperate. And what do they offer?? A loan!!! Really how the hell is that going to cut it, how are you miraculously going to make double after this pandemic to pay it back??? And a rate holiday is barley touching the sides!! It’s a joke. But no you all express your outrage in your nice warm homes with your guaranteed wages, get real! I won’t be getting paid if she shuts and I’m scared!!

Putyourface, I can totally see how it's affecting people. But if you are one of the people who are really worried about your family's health, you can't careless about some people losing wages, because for some people, it may be losing their/loved one's lives.

I completely get being worried about health. I’m at a big risk as some, I’ve got incurable cancer but because I’m can walk, dress myself etc and not going to die within 6 months I can’t get benefits so I’m stuck working in a job because I have too. I could get ill, very ill but what choice do I have?? Lose my home? It’s a risk I have to take. People who say they get it really don’t!

you can't careless about some people losing wages, because for some people, it may be losing their/loved one's lives.

Well that can work both ways. Don't expect people who's lives depend on their jobs to care about some fandoms life.

And so people will keep going to work ill.

I have no clue about your situation, putyourgame. If the government isn't helping you even though you have an incurable cancer but needs to risk your life everyday to earn the living, then this country is totally fucked.

PlainBritishFlour, I get that people go to work ill. I did too. But now the situation is totally different. You can go to work ill and in the past, maybe made few others ill. Now, you can go to work ill and can make someone dead.

Couldn’t agree more!! Totally fucked! I can’t even get angry or upset about it anymore, just get on with it, I’m certainly not the only one.