To think this FB post is incredibly irresponsible!

[QueenLucyPevensie]

I can’t believe what I’m seeing... a few pubs on FB are sharing this post encouraging people to keep coming. I don’t know where to begin with the stupidity here... (see attached pic) Yes in times of “crisis” we usually all go to the pub - arguably unless that “crisis” is a viral disease?! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Am I being unreasonable, is this completely irresponsible?

@stormyjupiter Nothing has changed.
People are knowingly working ill because they still have no choice.

It's a simple balance. If they don't have anyone seriously vulnerable to worry about why should they sacrifice their home?

@Unhomme brilliant thought id be the only one there... Gotta be the best response I've seen on these threads

They don't. I am not saying they should. But at the same time, people respond here may have someone really vulnerable too. But if you can't care about them, what they feel, carry on. If you don't have anyone seriously vulnerable to worry about, just forget about them, and just worry about your life. They shouldn't sacrifice, they should have happy life.

There are already people being fired from hospitality industry

@BeAnythingBeKind
It’s people with your attitude that will be contributing to the spread of this virus...why can’t you see that? Why is it so difficult to understand?
Let me explain it simply...YOU go to the pub because YOU want to. YOU mix and mingle with people that are infected. YOU become infected then YOU go to work/to the shops/visit friends and family and YOU pass it on to possibly hundreds of people.its possible that one of those people YOU infect could die. This is how these viruses work.
What bit of this don’t YOU understand?

Have a read of this link to see why we are being told to distance ourselves and not go out unless necessary. Its not just a case of you are not ill, as you might be you just don't know it

Without this in place the prediction is 510,000 deaths

With this strategy in place it's 20,000 - still high enough but a hell of a better number. Now, you probably couldn't give a shit if it was me in that number or my mum, or dad, or aunt or gran. But think if it was your family members - as this thing is serious and is a lottery of survival.

They haven't stopped the whole worlds travel for nothing

And yet they stopped the flights but didn't stop the nightclubs. Where people love staying 2 ft away from each other.

@PlainBritishFlour I believe so yes but that hasn't been clarified (surprisingly). The proportion that you will receive based on your business rates.

Sadly the government hasn't addressed how individuals are going to be protected. Businesses are putting on pressure to keep going to work. Making isolation unpaid etc etc. This is a result of the "soft" lockdown the government has chosen. If people are being expected to continue working and leisure venues are bit being forced to close it is no wonder that people are still going to the pub.

In all honesty I think this is actually the government's plan. Their plan (imo) is to slow but not stop infection at this stage. They know that some people won't comply so the disease will continue to spread but at a slower rate thanks to all those who do comply - and they appear to be doing something. Once that slower rate becomes too much they will move to full lockdown. I suspect they are still hoping they don't have to take this step.

FFS.

Well you'll all be ecstatic to know that while my place is only picking up slowly the Irish bar down the road is rammed. Haven't spoken to the doorman yet but they can't be far off capacity. And it will only get busier.

ArgumentativeAardvaark

We are in a better position with our insurance companies if we are forced to close, as there are certain things they will cover the cost of, which will then allow us to get paid when payroll comes around. If we choose to close we are choosing to have the loss of income.
We’ve not put any new deliveries in so soon we can start running out of stock so that it doesn’t go out of date and wasted due to a closure when it happens which we think will be likely.
We are on damage control at the moment trying to reduce overheads, any billing invoicing etc. We don’t have the luxury from being able to work from home.

I've seen the same thing from beauty salons near me.

Posting videos online of them disinfecting their card machines and asking people to please still support local businesses.

This virus is going to be a great leveller 😬

Which is how Italy and Spain ended up in that senario

So passengers on flights back from Italy intermingled with 10 other flights through passport control queues, schools open with, at my kids school, a group assembly of 500+ of them in an overcrowded hall to have an assembly to teach them about the ‘dangers of Coronavirus’ with kids coughing all over each other, overcrowded Supermarkets being constantly restocked by staff who have been constantly exposed to members of the public panic buying & people crammed up against each other in massive queues...but a quiet pub taking all measures to sanitise and stay afloat, in the scheme of things right now it’s hardly the height of the batshit, inconsistent ‘guidelines’ being issued by our money focussed dangerous buffoon of a leader.

Any parent still sending their child to school right now is literally 100x more likely to contract Coronavirus from their child than from having a quiet pint in a pub where hygiene is paramount and they are sat well apart from other customers.

I’m not condoning it, it’s just weird reality - mixed messages, inconsistent guidelines and businesses desperately trying to not go bankrupt, it’s an understandable post.

The wishy washy advice is ludicrous.

Either shut things or don't.

Would be interested in how govt can 'tell insurers to pay out' if it's not in the t and c of the contract. PP upthread who said that can you give more info? It's not my area but gist seems to be T&C say no pay if not official shutdown. Govt can't tell private companies to pay £££ against the terms of their contracts that makes zero sense.

Will read all links provided as v interested!

Saw one from the local restaurant. Loads of people saying I'm vulnerable, and ill still be coming in. They were egging them on on the basis that they'll open the windows! So fucking irresponsible. I'll never set foot in that place again.

I grew up in a restaurant. My parents ran one for 20 years. I can see how many businesses will go up the wall, and it's awful. But telling vulnerable people to keep calm and carry on so you can meet your overheads, no matter the cost to them? It makes me sick.

We only got told not to go to work today. So travel on tube. Most people can't WFH so lots still travelling.

Schools open.

Pubs fairly quiet. More risk than supermarket or mixing with school kids? Yeah seems iffy.

Like I say. Wishy washy 'advice' means they don't have to take any responsibility whichever way things go.

@BeetrootRocks apparently the government have negotiated with the insurance industry and they have agreed to pay out on this as if it were mandated...

How is going to a pub any different to shopping at a supermarket which everyone is doing?

The gov document deffo says 'This guidance is for EVERYONE. It advises on social distancing measures we should all be taking to reduce social interaction between people in order to reduce the transmission of coronavirus

and Avoid large gatherings, and gatherings in smaller public spaces such as pubs, cinemas, restaurants, theatres, bars, clubs.

Just because noone has said to these business directly this should be happening then everyone has decided to carry on regardless

Like I said the wave will hit and we all need to be responsible about it. Since wuhan introduced isolation measures their rates went right down - there isnt alot of other evidence to learn from, but they have been living this nightmare for 3 months - so if they say it's improving we need to take note.

@tinkerbellla because shopping is a solitary act. You will be exposed to people but only for very short periods of time. In a pub you will sit with people for a number of hours. The chances of passing a virus are much higher with prolonged contact.

I think it is less irresponsible than keeping our schools open, but far from ideal.
I don't think that the message of the severity of this situation is getting across at all well, there's this sense that we should all carry on and be somehow immune, whilst watching the rest of the world adopt a more sensible approach. I resent the fact that we are all being exposed via miscommunication and money-driven decisions.

It was aardvark who said it was mandated that business insurance had to pay out.

Do you have any evidence for that I'd be really interested.

I don't see how govt can force insurers to pay out if it's not a valid claim under the t&c of policies. They are private companies.

Pubs here are way emptier then supermarkets.

@BeetrootRocks I can't find it anywhere either

I can't find it either.

It's the same with travel - Raab 'advising' people not to travel overseas if not necessary. Being advised rather than companies being told to stop operating means that flights aren't technically cancelled and people cannot claim refunds.

I'm a sole trader and there - as ever - seems to be no indication of financial help for us. Not that we're entitled to sickness pay or anything like that, despite paying plenty of tax and NI.