To think that China needs to act

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From what I understand, the coronavirus originated in a wet market in Wuhan that sold animals both dead and alive. According to the Telegraph, these markets "pose a heightened risk of viruses jumping from animals to humans because hygiene standards are difficult to maintain if live animals are being kept and butchered on site. Typically, they are also densely packed."

Also: "The animal source of the latest outbreak has not yet been identified, but the original host is thought to be bats. Bats were not sold at the Wuhan market but may have infected live chickens or other animals sold there. Bats are host to a wide range of zoonotic viruses including Ebola, HIV and rabies."

When this latest pandemic dies down, the Chinese government needs to ban these wet markets entirely. Will the rest of the world be putting pressure on them to do so or will we simply continue as before until the next pandemic breaks out?

It was a seafood market.
There are wet markets all over China. I have lived there for 12 years and never seen anything ‘exotic’ in any market and have travelled a lot in China. Clearly they exist or we would not have this problem.

ForTheTimeBeing ........are those dogs alive in that cage ?

Well exactly.

There's not much happening between January 3rd and January 11th.

And nothing until the lockdown on the 23rd.

23 days, lost.

Clearly they exist or we would not have this problem

Exactly. And they think it came from a bat, but there was a middle animal which was eaten, likely a pangolin, which is used in Chinese medicine, and that’s how it was transferred to a human.

Actually, I think I'm wrong.

It's not like nothing was happening, there were festivities for the New Year, which were allowed to go ahead and which spread it even further.

Bluntness- it is misleading to characterise the market where the virus was traced to as a “wet market” when it is a “seafood market”. Even in Europe we sell seafood live.

Russell- China has over 10% the world population and so the odds are that viruses would transmit to humans more frequently there than anywhere else. Also viruses regularly make the jump between species even in low contact, hygienic situations. Furthermore, we are the kettle calling the pot black because we inflicted mad cow disease BSE on the world which was caused by feeding ground up cow to cows...as in really terrible husbandry practices.

Plan, the point of the discussion is not what kind of market it was. Really no one gives a shit what type of market it was. What they give a shit about was what was being sold. And where else it’s being sold.

Lol Chardonnay. They had 45 people sick from pneumonia that might be a new virus but not sure at the time. And what was the UK doing when it had 45 people sick AND it knew it was a new and deadly virus? Fuck all. Business as usual.
Pot calling kettle black.

@PlanDeRaccordement
We Learnt from that. China hasn’t. You can defend this all you like but there is NO excuse for this. None at all. Let’s see how forgiving you are if your loved one died or you lose your home....

We Learnt from that. China hasn’t

Absolutely

Im not really getting the logic of ‘we did something fucked up so we shouldn’t complain when someone else does something fucked up’

If that was the case nothing would ever change

Bluntness right, you don’t give a shit what type of market and yet the whole thread and your comments are based on the false idea it was a wet market and that we must sanction China until they stop wet markets by enforcing the ban.

Russel, an how long did it take for the U.K. to learn? It was a lot longer than thirty days.

Btw I have immediate family in southern China. You know nothing about who I have lost.

Your defending if this is absolutely disgusting. You should feel ashamed.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon
A lot of festivities were cancelled where I live. The most important date is New Year’s Eve, so 24th January this year. We had rumours on 23rd re the virus spreading outside Wuhan and by 26th you could not enter a supermarket without a mask and by 27th temp checking had started.

Lol back at you Pain.

They knew they the new virus,

On 31 December 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China. From 31 December 2019 through 3 January 2020, a total of 44 case-patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology were reported to WHO by the national authorities in China. During this reported period, the causal agent was not identified.

this is your post about how they informed the WHO.

What the UK did is nothing like it, by the time we got it it was everywhere. Only China could have nipped this in the bud. They didn't.

The type of market is not relevant. The sale of wild animals needs to be stopped regardless of the name of the market.

@haveanicedayx Yes, the dogs are alive, waiting to be slaughtered.

I thought you didn't live in Wuhan, Shanghai? How is the fact that they cancelled some festivities where you live relevant to what happened earlier in Wuhan? It's not all about you, all the time.

Wasn't there the New Year's Banquet in Wuhan which helped numbers explode? Wasn't the local party chief arrested for that?

Not only did they lose those critical days, they even inadvertently helped it spread.

@DrSheldonCooperPHD
Great video thanks

Looked through up on mad cow. It took a full year before actions were taken in 1985 and they were not finished until five years later in 1989.

“A few days before Christmas 1984, vet David Bee was called to Stent Farm in Sussex to examine a sick cow with strange symptoms – its back was arched and it had lost weight.

Within six weeks, cow 133 was dead, having developed head tremors and a loss of coordination. Seven months later, the UK Central Veterinary Laboratory diagnosed spongiform encephalopathy. By this time, other cows were also showing symptoms. The epidemic had begun.

Four herds had been affected when the Central Veterinary Office alerted the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (MAFF) in June 1987.

Nearly a year later, the government set up a working party chaired by Oxford University professor of zoology, Richard Southwood, to investigate bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) and any implications for human health.

Shortly after this, the government banned the feeding of cattle with protein derived from other cattle and sheep. Epidemiological studies done by MAFF scientists had pinpointed this cannibalism as being the only plausible cause of BSE. By this time it was known that BSE was a prion disease but whether the infective prion came from scrapie-infected sheep or another source is still not known.

The Southwood committee reported in February 1989, recommending a ban on the use of bovine offal in baby foods. The British government went further, and in November 1989, banned the use of specified bovine offals (SBO) in all human food.

In October of the previous year, BSE was shown to be transferable to mice, through a brain-to-brain injection of infected material. But, making assumptions based on past experience with scrapie, the Southwood committee decided that it was unlikely that BSE could be passed to humans. However, the report added: “If our assessments of these likelihoods are incorrect, the implications would be extremely serious.”

Read more: www.newscientist.com/article/dn91-bse-disaster-the-history/#

According to the National Geographic and The Guardian, the market in Wuhan did not only sell seafood: www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/science-and-technology/2020/01/new-coronavirus-can-spread-between-humans-it-started-wildlife-market
www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/30/make-coronavirus-ban-on-chinese-wildlife-markets-permanent-says-environment-expert-aoe

I read the wet market was actually a seafood market, which is run no different from a European fish & seafood market

Have you ever actually been to a Chinese market (by which I mean a local one rather than the sort tourists are directed to)? I think you'll find they're often very different to european ones, and that ForTheTimeBeing's image is not only accurate but also suggests these practices won't be abandoned voluntarily

Ah, I see you've moved on from Coronavirus, Pain.

I wonder why.

Chardonnay
pneumonia of unknown etiology means unknown not new. Ergo, they did not know.