Lockdown won't work in U.K

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Because we are too rebellious. I cannot envisage people staying indoors for any length of time

So mum and I can go for a walk and get shot? Compared to other options, that’s not a bad way to go.

Ffs. No, not as things stand. We’re not even on lockdown yet. But to say that’s impossible, that it couldn’t happen, no way, that’s hilarious - well, I think that’s just naive. There’s a lot of steps that would be taken before we got even close to that, and to be honest, I don’t think coronavirus is deadly enough to trigger that. But it is possible for the govt to institute martial law, and ultimately to use deadly force if necessary.

@HasaDigaEebowai

The legislation is already in place to allow them to forceably quarantine anyone who doesn't follow the rules - with force if necessary. It was passed weeks ago.

Could you link please? I would be interested in reading it.

See? Naive

Me? Nope. How well do you think it would go down if our forces actually started shooting civilians on the street?
Also how would that help? People who have been shot are either dead or require hospital treatment.
The same hospitals that will be overrun with CV patients.

Like JCB are going to be able to turn around specialist medical equipment in 2 weeks. Matt Hancock said it isn't difficult, although he did admit he couldn't do it................

I think if you live rurally and could take a walk with the real probability of not coming across another person - I don't see what the harm in that would be?

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/129/signature/made

It isn't a fun read. I'm a lawyer and have had to read for work reasons.

Yeah that's the daft thing

I don't understand what you mean?

better link

Me? Nope. How well do you think it would go down if our forces actually started shooting civilians on the street?

It depends how frightened people are of the disease. If people are scared enough, they’d be applauding it, not protesting.

None at all @tempester28 - and nobody would ever know.

I'm in a village in Northern Italy. Here almost everyone is complying to new rules. Filling in forms before you leave your home that state exactly where you are going and why .It isn't fun but people are taking it seriously. I think it's because the nearer you are to the problem the realer it is and the more willing a population becomes to do its best. When you know the nurse who's working in the hospital or people start telling you first hand about people dying you listen more and accept more limitations. If you feel it couldn't happen to you or anyone you know it's different. In our village of 5000 the Carabinieri (military police) are patrolling but that is normal for us, they are generally round and about anyway throughout the day in normal times. I know in the Uk ( I'm British) it's not as common to be stopped and checked in lots of areas, so people feel uneasy about it. Here it doesn't seem as bad, maybe cos we are accustomed to it.

Tulips, sorry for the dark humour, but it’s actually true, that wouldn’t be a bad way to go.

I am sorry, I am still laughing at the "we are too rebellious".

We are the least rebellious nation you can think of. If the very agitated latin nations manage to force their population to take it seriously, it will be a breeze either.

I am just wondering how many dead are going to be needed before someone wakes up and decide to do something. Seeing how many citizen we lose because of lack of resources of the NHS every year, I am guessing it's going to take some time. I just hope it won't be my kids or me.

It depends how frightened people are of the disease. If people are scared enough, they’d be applauding it, not protesting.*
Now I know your not serious

*My son has ADHD. He does lots of sport as a coping mechanism and he won't manage being confined in our small terraced house. I can't physically stop him going out, so when the boredem becomes unbearable the police will have to bring him back I guess!

Your attitude is awful. Maybe recognise that emergency services will be very stretched and you actually need to parent and not outsource that to the police.
I can guarantee you that if there was some tangible negative impact on your for letting him out, you'd keep him in. *

I take it you don’t have a 15/16/17 year old teen with ADHD or autism. You absolutely cannot reason with them if mid-meltdown and you cannot physically stop them from doing something. They would need to be sedated or tied down.

How well do you think it would go down if our forces actually started shooting civilians on the street?

Some people will be horrified, and some people will applaud them because they think the people deserved it.

Why would we want to be rebellious - to go out and catch or spread a possibly deadly virus?
I'll be following the rules and trying to keep my family as safe as possible.
This thread is bonkers.

But yes, shooting is very unlikely. Arresting people, forcefully if necessary, tasing them, using a bit of casual police brutality if necessary - not beyond the bounds of possibility, if there’s a complete lockdown and people disobey it.

As a PP already mentioned, the law’s already been changed to allow enforced quarantine for people who’ve been exposed - if someone diagnosed with corona refused to self isolate and tried to run away from the police, do you seriously think they’d just let them get on with it? It’s only a step further to think they’d use force to make people obey a lockdown, if polite requests didn’t work.

The issue isn't just the virus. If hospitals are overloaded and you crash your car, intensive care units won't be able to cope and you have a higher chance of dying,

Kids (And adults) break bones, etc reducing contact also reduces traffic, drunken adults, accidents etc.

It's much more complex than just the virus

If you feel it couldn't happen to you or anyone you know it's different

I'm in the at risk category. Still my dogs need walked and within a week from now I will need pet food/kitty litter/actual food for the humans here and other stuff.
Without my job i cant pay my bills.
It's all well and good maybe getting a mortgage holiday, but the council tax and leccy bill wont get a holiday.
I have a plan sorted out if it actually came to such a chilling lockdown, which I doubt but I like to be prepared.

But yes, shooting is very unlikely. Arresting people, forcefully if necessary, tasing them, using a bit of casual police brutality if necessary -
Stop now I'm finding these comments hilarious but now I'm scared you are serious. Where the hell are you getting this nonsense from ? Please send me the link immediately I must write to Boris and say please don't shoot me when I walk my dog I will go quietly back home after he's had a poo . He likes to go on the field near me , I mean I could try and explain to him but I'm not really keen on the police brutality or being shot .

It would be a nightmare for us as we just st moved house so have no cooker or washing machine yet, (kitchen currently being renovated) hence are travelling to wash clothes, eating out or takeaways or my mum is cooking for us.

Luckily my autistic son’s coping mechanism is his piano which is here.

But I’m more concerned at the elderly lady my parents currently look after. She lives quite close to where they work but about 6/7 miles from where they live. They visit at least once or twice a day to make sure she eats.

@Genevieva people are allowed to feed animals as it comes under "primera necesidad", it's something that must be done.
People who can't work from home can go to work but must only go to work and come home.

This says what we can do and not do:

www.thelocal.es/20200314/coronavirus-what-you-can-and-cant-do-during-spains-state-of-alert?fbclid=IwAR3dwCrooXZ0Y4HM90THbwX79Ti934b8Al36LEY9rmgfUtxrbruhSI-URfM

You say, "Oh I live rurally, I'd not come into contact with anyone, what's the harm" but what if everyone does that? Then quarantine doesn't work. So, you ban everyone from going out except for urgent needs like attending to the elderly, buying food, going to work. And exercise isn't an urgent need.

The police are patrolling and telling people who are out when they shouldn't be, to go home. If there aren't enough police to do that, the government can authorise the army to do that in a state of emergency.

Cases in Spain went up by 1700 in the last 24 hours. When you get more deaths (cases are difficult to judge as the Uk is not really testing), and you will get that soon, things will change.

Why would we want to be rebellious - to go out and catch or spread a possibly deadly virus?

because some people are thick as a plank.
They want their McDonalds and their soft play, and they have decided that it's not possible to stay home with their kids. Simply not possible.
Idiots.

1forsorrow

In a statement on Sunday, the chairman of heavy equipment manufacturer JCB, Lord Bamford, said: "We have been approached by the prime minister to see if we can help with the production of ventilators.
"We have research and engineering teams actively looking at the request at the moment," he said.
However, he continued: "It's unclear as yet if we can assist, but as a British company, we will do whatever we can to help during the unprecedented times our country is facing."

JCBs official reply to govt request. Even they are like - ummmmmm