Omg. The next step in the strategy. And if we all stick together it may work

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Next step in UK strategy. Lock down all the over 70s (and other immunocompromised - kids / adults) for 4 months. Lock them down. Then make it illegal to close schools. That means we gain immunity to the virus as a population and keeps the beds open for the unusual cases that are not foreseen.

@Wilmalovescake thank you x. The reason I get so excited about this is because it is for a collective. I am willing to die by getting this for herd immunity if it helps others. To suggest that I get excited by this for me just makes me cry.

Of course go see your mum. If mum wants to to go the shops so be it. If she catches it though, don’t expect the doctors to give her a bed. She’ll be on the bottom of the waiting list.
And if she goes out because she has no food in, no family to help, has run out of gas on the metre, Beryl called to say she's sick and can't get out of bed, her single parent child has called and said she can't get out of bed, she has a hospital appt to attend,?

The people aged 50 plus are more laid back and nonchalant because they have been through WAY worse than this coronavirus mayhem and hysteria.

What worse health crises have there been? Has there ever been a situation where country after country is shutting down? I heard someone interviewed earlier from Italy who said that this was worse than the war because at least then you could see your enemy.

Pot “ What’s more important, mum not being bored or mum getting this virus and it killing her?”

After 82 years of life, mum would definitely vote to die of something without incurring boredom and loneliness. She might as well have died with dad tbh if this is what’s going to happen 🤷🏻‍♀️

There’s a definite marker here with some people thinking death is the worst thing, there’s many worse fates IMHO.

We wouldn’t want to bother the GP but mum has a DNR which I hope docs would expand to say “do not intubate” etc.

OP is not remotely interested in protecting people anyway.

OP “ I am willing to die by getting this for herd immunity if it helps others.”

Lots of people don’t mind dying if it helps others live. I think maybe you need to step away from MN, you’re upsetting yourself.

So on Thursday Boris and his government aren't doing enough. Now they're doing this it's too much/can't possibly work/is wrong/unfair/unsustainable etc

So what do people actually think the government should be doing then?

Ygritte yep

This thread makes no sense how can on one hand people say its too difficult to isolate the vulnerable (health conditions and elderly) for four months but on the other hand say we are not doing enough and want to shut schools....

Do people not realise this is the less stringent measure. Shutting schools comes along with shutting everything down, everything. It wont be just the vulnerable that are isolating. Everyone but a handfuls of essential workers will be isolating.

Either way You wont get to see granny for four months. The first way gives the less vulnerable a chance to keep society going. Just think for a moment, society needs to continue. Its spring, crops need to be getting in the ground if people want to eat next autumn, we need to make masks, ventilators, medicines and keep the daam lights on.

Kids need to be looked after, they are low risk rather than reinventing the wheel with "essential worker childcare" keep them in the schools they know, its much less emotionally difficult for them, and this is going to be hard for them.

Ygritte, I’m fine with what they’re doing, just hope they’re not really going to try and push healthy people into self isolation.

We don't know what kind, if any immunity people will get. It may be none and reinfection will occur. Or it may be biphasic. We have case studies if people coming up positive months after having been cleared as negative. You can't lock down the elderly because they need carers. It doesn't work. Closing schools was to buy time...this fucker is 3-4 months old in humans. We have fuck all idea if/when/how often it will mutate. Shutting down schools shuts down transmission which not only slows the rate of infection but cuts down the viruses chance to mutate.

DM is 81 with Alzheimer’s
She also lives alone
She would not remember to isolate no matter who told her to
Unless she is locked up it just won’t be possible

The only upside of this is that it’ll be the end to Boris Johnson and Cummings.

You really think that Corbyn and co would have made a better job of this? Really?

I bet he's thanking his lucky stars that he hasn't got to deal with this disaster.

I don’t see how this can work in practise.
My mum is 84 and needs to see the GP, take blood tests and/or see a dentist 3 or 4 times a month. She can’t get to grips with online shopping and I live 7 hours drive away. She has quite a restricted diet due to a medical condition. She lives in small park home. Her only pleasures in life are meeting with her friends, shopping, driving around in her car and lunch or tea in a cafe or a garden centre etc. She would be devastated at not seeing my kids or me for 4 months. Frankly she would rather take her chances and die.

How will I pay my mortgage?

I am willing to die by getting this for herd immunity

Well that's dramatic but I'm afraid dying doesn't help 'herd immunity' at all.

A) long term health damage may result from getting the virus, even mildly. There are reports of this.

B) You may get the virus again, and infect whomever you were attenpting to protect in the first place the second time around.

This virus is too new, nothing can be assumed. You may suffer long term damage. Herd immunity isn't even likely to occur without a vaccine.

Cherry how old are you?

And if she goes out because she has no food in, no family to help, has run out of gas on the metre, Beryl called to say she's sick and can't get out of bed, her single parent child has called and said she can't get out of bed, she has a hospital appt to attend,?

Specifically calling out those moaning that they’re mum will be bored etc.... the above situation you describe is different!

What worse health crises have there been? Has there ever been a situation where country after country is shutting down? I heard someone interviewed earlier from Italy who said that this was worse than the war because at least then you could see your enemy.

Spanish flu.
Estimates vary on the exact number of deaths caused by the disease, but it is thought to have infected a third of the world's population and killed at least 50 million people, making it the deadliest pandemic in modern history. Although at the time it gained the nickname "Spanish flu," it's unlikely that the virus originated in Spain.

Although obviously not in our lifetime now.

What if you're in a vulnerable group, a teacher and a parent? That's not going to work is it?

I am willing to die by getting this for herd immunity if it helps others.

Wuh?!

I am willing to die by getting this for herd immunity if it helps others. To suggest that I get excited by this for me just makes me cry

@AutumnRose1

**After 82 years of life, mum would definitely vote to die of something without incurring boredom and loneliness. She might as well have died with dad tbh if this is what’s going to happen 🤷🏻‍♀️

There’s a definite marker here with some people thinking death is the worst thing, there’s many worse fates IMHO.

We wouldn’t want to bother the GP but mum has a DNR which I hope docs would expand to say “do not intubate” etc.

OP is not remotely interested in protecting people anyway.**

Your mums situation is different and if she’s willing to take a calculated risk then that’s fair enough. She’s happy to go not be given a bed if she did get complications after catching it so she understands the consequences- as you say, for her, boredom is a worse situation

Anyone notice they've basically floated two very different and contradictory plans today:

-Arlene Foster (presumably part of Cobra) ; we'll close schools and when we do it'll be for 16 weeks
-This report; we'll quarantine the early and might close schools for a few weeks.

If they're going for the quarantine the elderly strategy then it basically requires the schools to remain open and the kids circulating so that it gets through as fast as possible (so they can be "released"). However a proportion of younger people do still get sick enough to need hospitalisation with it so presumably the school closure would be saved for the absolute peak to dampen it down?

If they closed the schools for 16 weeks and did the quarantine then the quarantine would be bloody endless as the rate of transmission would be slower but still happening so it would take longer to get to the "herd immunity".

"The reason I am so excited about this is because we protect our most vulnerable. The people we all love"

"They are clogging up the beds. They are the ones who are causing the breakdown of the system"

I'm not hearing much love there

That sounds more like blaming the most vulnerable, not helping them

This thread makes no sense how can on one hand people say its too difficult to isolate the vulnerable (health conditions and elderly) for four months but on the other hand say we are not doing enough and want to shut schools

All I've read on here for the last week is how appalling the government's reaction is and how we should all be on lockdown, Wuhan style. Now someone says "well, putting us all on lockdown for 4 months would just destroy the economy and the country would collapse - why don't we just put the most vulnerable on lockdown instead?" and everyone is up in arms! "OMG you can't put people on lockdown!"

mumsnet is a weird place. People will find a way to complain no matter what.