Omg. The next step in the strategy. And if we all stick together it may work

[Bool]

Next step in UK strategy. Lock down all the over 70s (and other immunocompromised - kids / adults) for 4 months. Lock them down. Then make it illegal to close schools. That means we gain immunity to the virus as a population and keeps the beds open for the unusual cases that are not foreseen.

@AutumnRose1

Be honest OP.

You want to lock down “the elderly” and people like me (asthma and other conditions) so there’s room for you in hospital. It’s not because you’re worried we’ll die.

It does appear that the calmest people on these threads are the ones with high risk factors and experience of pneumonia. If I wrote a DNR, I’d include- no incubation and no tube feeding. The only reason I haven’t got to it is I don’t want my doctor taking it as a sign of terrible mental health.

This poster ^ is right. The calmest, most level-headed people I know are the ones who have conditions that would make coronavirus a real struggle for them... Asthma, autoimmune illnesses etc... And lot of people over 55 seem to be pretty laid back about it. They are all being careful, and are mildly concerned, but are also being pretty cool about it.

They have a mini stockpile of stuff - like 2 nine-packs of loo rolls and a few packs of non-perishable foodstuffs, and they always have a month's supply of meds in anyway ... but for the most part, they are carrying on as normal (relatively.)

And I agree with autumrose1 that people like you @Bool are telling the vulnerable and 'at-risk' groups to self isolate, ... aka 'get out of my airspace and fuck off til August' because you want there to be more meds and more room in the hospitals for YOU.

And as for calling 'over 70s' OLDIES.... Could you be anymore fucking patronising and condescending? I know a bunch of over 70s who would seriously make mincemeat out of you for saying that. You wouldn't know what had hit you when they started.

Force this generation to stay in the house for FOUR MONTHS.

Good luck with that hun! You are seriously picking on the wrong ones here!

So much speculation atm

We haven’t had an announcement since the last press conference

Stop having a go at the language

Like I said, the language we use about them can have an effect on how people are viewed. It's certainly doesn't sound like caring loving language. I get really sick of hearing the elderly described in that way.

People wanted a lock down earlier.

Very hard if you are stuck in a tiny flat. Old people, if they do go into lockdown will need support services, food deliveries, skype calls with doctors/hcp monitoring of underlying health conditions, what about the many hospital and nurse appointments the elderly have ? Not all have bank accounts or get their pensions sent to their bank account or have access to the internet for online food delivery, paying bills etc. Is an army of volunteers going to be mobilised to support a neighbour/ walk their dogs?

My 87 year old dad takes his dog out several times a day and walks for miles, keeps him fit and sane. He has always hated being indoors, his MH will really suffer. My youngest brother lives with him, will he have to stay elsewhere?

I'm amazed at the resistance on here to the elderly self protecting because they lose their child care. The entitlement that GPs need to look after the young has granted me before but this is a whole new level they should risk their lives to do it because they are free childcare.

It may be untrue but I hope they go for it.

It would stop a lot of deaths old and young.

I've had a read of the news link another poster provided upthread and that says there would also be plans to close schools, at least for a while, so no "forcing" them to stay open, which would make more sense
@airforsharon that’s good to here. And I apologise for being rude to you in previous post. I am immune compromised with disabled dc so a little stressed right now. Not fair of me to take it out on others though.

We need to build immunity - vaccines are at least 18 months away.

We cannot lock down the world for 18 months.

If schools close who looks after the kids? If one adult is home until the schools reopen do they still expect to be paid, to have a job afterwards, to have an employer?

I think it makes sense for us to protect the most vunerable and in my area there is already a Facebook page to help anyone who is self isolating and care homes are banning visits and the carers are taking all precautions to look after them . Of course you can’t prevent some still getting the virus but this is minimising the risk and to be honest that is all we can do . With individual different cases you will have to use your common sense .

That’s it. I am out of here. If you seriously think that protecting our most vulnerable to help our NHS and the collective whole is selfish. Then good luck to everyone.

@UserV

Your accusations are outrageous, it is completely clear that is not what
Bool is thinking at all.

Bool it is good if they do it.

People react to control like this regardless of the fact everyone has been clamouring for the govt to lock down for last month.

The people aged 50 plus are more laid back and nonchalant because they have been through WAY worse than this coronavirus mayhem and hysteria.

It is largely much younger people IME who are going loco over it.

Everyone over 50 I have spoken to are perplexed by the bizarre hysteria and panic buying, and think people are utterly batshit.

For the people moaning about this idea and saying “does that mean I won’t see my 80 year old mum... that’s not fair etc... poor mum being isolated” yada yada

Of course go see your mum. If mum wants to to go the shops so be it. If she catches it though, don’t expect the doctors to give her a bed. She’ll be on the bottom of the waiting list.

What’s more important, mum not being bored or mum getting this virus and it killing her?

It’s not just older people who are vulnerable! There are thousands of adults from 20s-70s who have conditions that make them more likely to have severe disease! Mums and dads of school age kids, working in various jobs that support this country’s infrastructure.

Perhaps if people stopped voting for a party that has systematically and brutally decimated public services since they got in, we might have a bit more resilience for the coming storm. This ‘delay’ strategy is a distraction to us not even having the capacity to test as much as we should, never mind be able to support those that need it.

I’m a heart patient. I was due to see my cardiologist at the end of March. It’s been moved to the end of December. I’m not an emergency currently, but moving forward? My 2 teenage children attend a school where last week the students returning from Madrid (half of whom had a cough) were told they needed to attend school by a Head Teacher ardently sticking to govt guidance.

The only upside of this is that it’ll be the end to Boris Johnson and Cummings.

I actually think that if we are going with the herd immunity concept (which they seem fairly wedded to) then this makes total sense.

I run a childcare company (after school/holiday) - if they decide to leave us open then we will look at offering reduced fees for those who need childcare due to quarantined grandparents.

I agree totally that if it was the opposite way round and it was children who were super vulnerable we would be doing similar.

@Bool I understand what your saying, in all honesty. If the the vulnerable people catch this the chance of survival is not good. Best to try to isolate the people we know will not survive this. But we need a clear action plan that’s going to be effective. Again what this is I don’t know. But we need to think if they are going to survive? If not - isolate

@Inkpaperstars

Why are you targeting me, when other posters have said the same as me? Including the poster I quoted?

What about carers?!

With children in the schools that it's illegal to close?

UserV why shouldn’t they hold you accountable to your comments?

I think this approach makes sense.
Protect the most vulnerable; let the stronger take the hit. Hopefully herd immunity will start to have some effect? Do we know for sure it will? No. It’s a fucking novel virus. Does it replace vaccines, or social distancing for other non essential events or any of the other measures being considered? Of course not.

This isn’t either/or. It’s AND.
If every one of these ideas helps delay transmission by 1% it’s worth considering.

Everyone is going to have to make some changes.

I hope online shopping would be reliable for those that don't have family nearby. I went to book earlier and the next slot was 11 days away. I live two hours from my parents. Obviously I would drive over there if they needed me but it would be very difficult for me to do this on a regular basis.

What is happening is that the government is going to prohibit schools closing based on unscientific decisions by individual headteachers.

What are headteachers supposed to do if 70% of their staff are off sick?

*MyDcAreMarvel

that's kind of you to apologise, no harm done. This is something most of us have never had to deal with before so we're bound to get terse at times. I'm expecting my and consumption to skyrocket.

so what if your spouse is over 70 & you aren't or visa versa & I second the possibility of spouse murder if confined (though I am not sure who will do it first ) be practical some of us have to support other members of our family (& not just gc but disabled). We do need to officially ban public organised events - all of them now.